Innovate Motorsports Twin Screw Supercharger Kit for FR-S/BRZ

[mines13]

Originally Posted by Supermassive

Just a heads up, unless you have some background taking this car apart, this isn't an install that is that easy, removing the intake manifold on this car is actually pretty involved and requires you to remove quite a bit of stuff to do so. For those who want this kit thinking it's gonna be easy to install you may want to take a good look at how comfortable you are pulling apart the fuel lines and rails, if you have the tools, and how comfortable you are with vacuum lines.

Yes this kit is fairly simple as far as total installed components, but it's still a lot more work than popping in a set of coilovers or successfully installing headers. I'm mechanically adept and am not looking forward to this weekend's project of removing the intake manifold from my car to do some reinstallation of vacuum lines for my turbo kit to fix some routing that i did to get it running last minute before Visconti came over to my place.

Just wanted to make sure people are actually understanding that this isn't a job that the average joe who happens to own a wrench can do without help. Not saying it isn't possible, but that it's not easy like everyone is saying. Hell my turbo install was technically a cake walk, until i started routing vacuum lines and wiring gauges. The actual hardest part of my install was dealing with the fuel pump and drivers side injectors.

Excited to see this kit's numbers, I've always liked PD superchargers!

Having removed and reinstalled the intake manifold several times, I would say that it is quite simple. The fuel lines are quick disconnect, and the fuel rails are very short. Also keep in mind, we are only talking about the port injectors, none of the DI hardware needs to be touched. The hose under the intake manifold can be removed and reinstalled by hand while the manifold is on the engine. An average mechanic could have the stock intake manifold off within an hour or so. Neither the stage 1 or stage 2 kits have any sort of oil feed plumbed to the block, intercooler pipes to route or fuel pumps to install. The Heat exchanger on the stage two kit can also be installed quite easily WITHOUT removing the bumper cover, I've done it. If anything, it would be safe to assume that this is the easiest forced induction kit to install on this vehicle.

[Supermassive]

Originally Posted by mines13

Having removed and reinstalled the intake manifold several times, I would say that it is quite simple. The fuel lines are quick disconnect, and the fuel rails are very short. Also keep in mind, we are only talking about the port injectors, none of the DI hardware needs to be touched. The hose under the intake manifold can be removed and reinstalled by hand while the manifold is on the engine. An average mechanic could have the stock intake manifold off within an hour or so. Neither the stage 1 or stage 2 kits have any sort of oil feed plumbed to the block, intercooler pipes to route or fuel pumps to install. The Heat exchanger on the stage two kit can also be installed quite easily WITHOUT removing the bumper cover, I've done it. If anything, it would be safe to assume that this is the easiest forced induction kit to install on this vehicle.

I'm talking more towards the people looking at these kits who aren't experienced, of course I would expect a shop or someone who has installed these parts before to see this as easy. But for the normal person any engine work tends to be daunting. Add to that that this may be someone's first ever FI install and that compounds the issues they may encounter.

That's all I was saying

[mines13]

Originally Posted by Supermassive

I'm talking more towards the people looking at these kits who aren't experienced, of course I would expect a shop or someone who has installed these parts before to see this as easy. But for the normal person any engine work tends to be daunting. Add to that that this may be someone's first ever FI install and that compounds the issues they may encounter.

That's all I was saying

If one has ever installed a replacement top mount intercooler or turbo inlet tube on a WRX, removing the intake manifold on this engine will be cake walk. This is likely the easiest intake manifold removal I have ever experienced while in the engine bay. I would say that if someone has no experience doing any sort of forced induction installation they should work with someone who has, or bring it to a professional. That would apply to ANY form of forced induction.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by mines13

That would apply to ANY form of forced induction.

I believe this is the exact point Supermassive is trying to make. All over the SC threads, a lot of people say it is SO MUCH easier (like it is a whole lot easier and implying the average joe can do it) to install a SC compared to a TC. It might be different, it might be less involved (even though in some cases it is the opposite), but it is still a task to be completed by a mechanically inclined person(s) with at least a bit of experience. Like you said, applies to both TC and SC.

[mines13]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I believe this is the exact point Supermassive is trying to make. All over the SC threads, a lot of people say it is SO MUCH easier (like it is a whole lot easier and implying the average joe can do it) to install a SC compared to a TC. It might be different, it might be less involved (even though in some cases it is the opposite), but it is still a task to be completed by a mechanically inclined person(s) with at least a bit of experience. Like you said, applies to both TC and SC.

My intent was to explain that the screw supercharger system is easier to install (less labor/time) then any of the turbo kits offered for this vehicle, it does not require a lift or jack. not that it should be taken on haphazardly.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I believe this is the exact point Supermassive is trying to make. All over the SC threads, a lot of people say it is SO MUCH easier (like it is a whole lot easier and implying the average joe can do it) to install a SC compared to a TC. It might be different, it might be less involved (even though in some cases it is the opposite), but it is still a task to be completed by a mechanically inclined person(s) with at least a bit of experience. Like you said, applies to both TC and SC.

Originally Posted by mines13

My intent was to explain that the screw supercharger system is easier to install (less labor/time) then any of the turbo kits offered for this vehicle,

I know what was your intent and understand what you meant. I hope you read my post and understand it, specially the bolded parts.

[Jeff86]

Originally Posted by mines13

My intent was to explain that the screw supercharger system is easier to install (less labor/time) then any of the turbo kits offered for this vehicle, it does not require a lift or jack. not that it should be taken on haphazardly.

I completeky agree. Having installed both blowers and turbo systems on other vehicles, blowers are far easier to install. For the garage enthusiast who has experience installing basic bolt ons, a blower is a great next step in the learning process. It is how I progressed later moving to complex turbo systems and engine internals. If instructions are well done, blowers are well within reach for most enthusiasts to DIY.

This is one reason why I think the uncooled kit is such a great choice. It doesn't get simpler from an installation perspective than a blower and a belt. The fact that you can always add cooling later for about the same price is awesome.

[industrial]

Originally Posted by mines13

My intent was to explain that the screw supercharger system is easier to install (less labor/time) then any of the turbo kits offered for this vehicle, it does not require a lift or jack. not that it should be taken on haphazardly.

Very true. The basic sc kits so far seem very easy to install. No oil lines or pans to tap alone make the job much easier.

[cruzinbill]

Originally Posted by industrial

Very true. The basic sc kits so far seem very easy to install. No oil lines or pans to tap alone make the job much easier.

Ya any FI that you dont have to pull and tap an oil pan is soooo much easier. I dont think any of the kits for this car have had to tho luckily.

[Supermassive]

Originally Posted by cruzinbill

Ya any FI that you dont have to pull and tap an oil pan is soooo much easier. I dont think any of the kits for this car have had to tho luckily.

Mine did, luckily the P&L kit comes with a pre welded pan to replace the stock one and the gasket maker as well. Makes for a super clean install with a pretty direct drain from the turbo to the pan.

[cruzinbill]

Originally Posted by Supermassive

Mine did, luckily the P&L kit comes with a pre welded pan to replace the stock one and the gasket maker as well. Makes for a super clean install with a pretty direct drain from the turbo to the pan.

Is it a 2 piece pan that you can pull without lifting the motor? If so that makes things much easier.

[Supermassive]

Originally Posted by cruzinbill

Is it a 2 piece pan that you can pull without lifting the motor? If so that makes things much easier.

Umm, there is no lifting required to remove the oil pan on this car. Of course you wont be able to replace it with stock headers but thats common sense.

[cruzinbill]

Originally Posted by Supermassive

Umm, there is no lifting required to remove the oil pan on this car. Of course you wont be able to replace it with stock headers but thats common sense.

ah good info thanks

[Supermassive]

Originally Posted by cruzinbill

ah good info thanks

No problemo!