AVO turbo kit for BRZ - initial build thread

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by industrial

Really any car with a turbo should have a boost gauge!

A car that sees boost, but doesn't have a boost gauge is stupid. When the WRX came out it wasn't even an option! At least in '03 or '04 I think they started offering the option. Still don't think they're standard in Subarus though.

[Tansey86]

AFR and boost should be mandatory on all boosted cars especially with an aftermarket tune

[diss7]

I'd prefer a stand alone ecu, that can sense all of this automatically, and pull back timing/power if anything goes outside set parameters. A good ecu is going to react much quicker than any driver.

[industrial]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

A car that sees boost, but doesn't have a boost gauge is stupid. When the WRX came out it wasn't even an option! At least in '03 or '04 I think they started offering the option. Still don't think they're standard in Subarus though.

I agree but really on turbos especially. What if the wastegate gets stuck?

My 02' wrx came with this gem off the lot:



I think I told my friends I was boosting .1 mpa and nobody had a clue wtf I was saying...

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by industrial

I agree but really on turbos especially. What if the wastegate gets stuck?

My 02' wrx came with this gem off the lot:



I think I told my friends I was boosting .1 mpa and nobody had a clue wtf I was saying...

They offered the Lamco in '02? Hm, didn't know that. Thought it was a later addition. I stand corrected. I think they finally got the boost gauges in American units in '08; a whole generation later.

[Sportsguy83]

I believe 2 bar+ MAP sensors are about $100? (See Below, Roadstercycle installed an 06+ S2000 4 bar sensor)

Originally Posted by Roadstercycle

I put a 4 bar S2000 Honda map sensor in my setup. plug and play.
3 bar will work fine too. Just because you need help with a map sensor does not mean you are not capable of building an awesome turbo setup.

[MANDALAY]

Originally Posted by Tansey86

AFR and boost should be mandatory on all boosted cars especially with an aftermarket tune

Really why ?

You going to tell me that you will be looking at those gauges while your driving ?

Sorry i dont believe that, then you will probably add another 6 gauges for oil temp etc all over your dash.

Not needed at all , proper tune , alarm setting to back off and ability to log so as to see whats happening.

A shift light is much better , that way you will see it rather than looking at the tacho

[Tansey86]

Originally Posted by MANDALAY

Really why ?

You going to tell me that you will be looking at those gauges while your driving ?

Sorry i dont believe that, then you will probably add another 6 gauges for oil temp etc all over your dash.

Not needed at all , proper tune , alarm setting to back off and ability to log so as to see whats happening.

A shift light is much better , that way you will see it rather than looking at the tacho

If they are positioned correctly they are easy to see and don't require you to stare at them for 5 minutes. I just feel they are things that are great to have in terms of preventive maintenance, especially since its like 150 bucks to setup 2 gauges. Nobody says you have to do it, I just think they serve a great purpose.

[scyzer]

Originally Posted by Visconti

Im commenting on pricing because I'm curious and people are asking me questions I can't answer.

Those questions include map sensor questions... It's a good a valid question...

I think this is a good kit at a good price point but customers need to know if they're going to need additional hardware.

But clearly AVOWORLD and my self disagree of what the factory map sensor is good for, unless I misunderstood.

No I don't think I'm the only person that can tune* forced induction, many other vendors on here have proved that including AVO.

This wasn't meant to out anyone just real simply friendly questions.

Btw you only need one custom map for a safe boot cut.

So I don't want to drag this on but the factory map sensor is good for 4-5 psi at best, this kit or any kit should include a map sensor so a boost cut can be out in and the the customer can always datalog boost pressure. Can you do with out it? I guess.. But at least inform them so it's not a after thought

John

A previous post:

Originally Posted by AVOturboworld

The stock map sensor works on our 5psi build, so no, no reason to add it to the base kit at this time.

[Visconti]

^ ok but what happens when the car runs more than 5 psi .. You'd never know, also wouldn't be able to have a boost cut for safety.

I guess based on this info i would suggest that anyone getting this kit should invest in a upgraded map sensor .
If you run 5 psi you'll want a 7-8 psi boost cut

John

[DriftEightSix]

Originally Posted by Visconti

^ ok but what happens when the car runs more than 5 psi .. You'd never know, also wouldn't be able to have a boost cut for safety.

I guess based on this info i would suggest that anyone getting this kit should invest in a upgraded map sensor .
If you run 5 psi you'll want a 7-8 psi boost cut

John

John,

Which MAP sensor do you recommend?

[Visconti]

Originally Posted by DriftEightSix

John,

Which MAP sensor do you recommend?

Omni 2.5 or 3 bar

I like the 3bar because anyone can use it, so easy for resell later down the road

[mnsayer]

I can't wait to get my hands on this kit, but from what I'm reading since i have installed injen intake, Motiv concepts test pipe, over pipe and a Fujitsubo exhaust this kit with it's stage 1 map will not work on my car?

[AVOturboworld]

The stage 1 base map would get you started up and to a tuner, but I wouldn't run it hard or long term. Changing that many components brings it beyond the stage 1 parameters.
It's the same as, say, adding a boost controller and running the car at 8psi - the base map isn't designed for that.