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Kostamojen · 10-29-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacon

No...They're not. A brand new M3 starts at $60k here, in the UK it's well over $85k.

And a base model Cadillac starts off at $65,000 there.

European cars are cheaper in Europe. A MINI isn't significantly more expensive (%25) than the other subcompacts like it is here.

AudiTT · 10-29-2011, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen

European cars are cheaper in Europe.

No, unfortunately not. America get's European cars cheaply, not sure why. Maybe some kind of marketing but that's how it is.

You all must be rich. This Toybaru will cost at least 40k€ here + taxes, i guess.. SO PLEASE DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PRICE OF ANY FOREIGN CAR. Thank u.

netster007x · 10-30-2011, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cyde01

export reliant foreign countries use government policies to adjust their currency exchange rates so their products will be cheaper in the US, more sales in the US means more manufacturing jobs in their country. the US meanwhile believes blindly in free trade, which means exporters get a free pass to sell their products cheaply in the US while US products remain pricey overseas. as a result we get their stuff at cut rate prices but it also means our domestic manufacturing sector has been almost decimated because we can't export anything at a fair price. but i digress..

Sounds like a good deal to me. If poor countries want to give us foreign aid, I won't object. Plus if we have money left over from cheap cars that's more stuff for us to buy domestically, increasing sectors such as restaurants.

cyde01 · 10-30-2011, 04:26 AM

I don't work in manufacturing either so i used to agree with you but the truth is all economies need to be diverse to be healthy. With the loss of manufacturing the US economy has grown to reliant on making fake money thru financial services (wall street, lehman bros) and shady real estate investing. In the US we've been using credit to buy all the world's goods but now that we're all broke we can't borrow any more money. And now all the countries that are overly reliant on exports are screwed because we don't have anything to buy their stuff with. Simply put today's trade imbalances are unsustainable and hurt both the exporting and importing countries. Sry to go way off topic thats the last time i'll mention politics here.

[es vi: eks] · 10-30-2011, 04:35 AM

Very happy with what has been said in the artical so far.

lancie · 10-30-2011, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bacon

No...They're not. A brand new M3 starts at $60k here, in the UK it's well over $85k.

in italy ,bmw m3 coupè cost 71,250 euro....

SUB-FT86 · 10-30-2011, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AudiTT

No, unfortunately not. America get's European cars cheaply, not sure why. Maybe some kind of marketing but that's how it is.

You all must be rich. This Toybaru will cost at least 40k€ here + taxes, i guess.. SO PLEASE DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PRICE OF ANY FOREIGN CAR. Thank u.

No. It's because America is the biggest market for car sales in the world. Its like this, if you have a lot more buyers in a market you can afford to lower the price compared to a market that have 1/10th of the buyers. Supply and Demand!

Shevon · 10-30-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

No. It's because America is the biggest market for car sales in the world. Its like this, if you have a lot more buyers in a market you can afford to lower the price compared to a market that have 1/10th of the buyers. Supply and Demand!

Supply an Demand. Exactly that. Largest market, more buyers less price, companies still profit. smaller market, less buyer,jack up the price, companies still make profit. they wont have a set price worlwide because every country has a different economy. Its like money...the more physical paper money an economy has in circulation the less its gonna be worth along with how others are.

Dave-ROR · 10-30-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cyde01

I don't work in manufacturing either so i used to agree with you but the truth is all economies need to be diverse to be healthy. With the loss of manufacturing the US economy has grown to reliant on making fake money thru financial services (wall street, lehman bros) and shady real estate investing. In the US we've been using credit to buy all the world's goods but now that we're all broke we can't borrow any more money. And now all the countries that are overly reliant on exports are screwed because we don't have anything to buy their stuff with. Simply put today's trade imbalances are unsustainable and hurt both the exporting and importing countries. Sry to go way off topic thats the last time i'll mention politics here.

C4RBON · 10-30-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen

European cars are more expensive here.

One reason European cars appear to be more expensive in the US, is that European car manufacturers don't offer the base model trims here. With the exception of VW, I can't think of any European cars that aren't considered 'luxury' here (maybe mini, but those aren't exactly cheap, either). In Europe, you can buy BMWs without leather and with 4 cyl engines. Can't really do that here.

There is also a lot to be said for differences in taxes, fees, certification testing, marketing costs, dealer networks, and importing costs.

Harinjo · 10-30-2011, 03:44 PM

too much differences :

hyundai genesis coupe 2.0T:
starting price in US 22,500$
and in germany 30,000€ (thats around 41k $!!!)

DrunkenMime · 10-31-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sfwg

i was guessing 2700 but i agree with you. alot of people were hoping for < 2500lbs,turbo, close to 300hp as they could get and a price tag of 20k. gonna disapoint alotta people

This is super car talk right here....heck even the Lotus Elise didn't have all of that....ridiculous thinking Toyota was going to do anything NEAR those numbers you're throwing around...

DrunkenMime · 10-31-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sfwg

engine weight? rear seating capabilities?

Exactly...this is why it's retarded to compare the FT to a Miata....

DrunkenMime · 10-31-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by madfast

i think we all were hoping for a really light car to offset it's low hp. 2800 lbs in today's market is already quite light, but 200 hp is just average.

This car was made for HANDLING. nothing else....if you want a drag strip car, there are plenty of other cars out there to choose from

10-30-2011, 04:35 AM	#117
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