Fish Tailing

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by Grishbok

The rubber compounds used in summer tires are contructed to operate in a certain temperature range. When extreme cold hits, the compound condenses and drops beyond the point it was designed to, causing undue stress on the tire, most commonly making the tire very VERY hard and as a result, traction is compromised. In extreme cases, the tire can crack and even shatter.
It also goes to note that you can impair the integrity of the tire simply by driving the summer tire in winter due to the friction of the tire on the road. The friction causes the exterior of the tire to heat up faster than the rest and can again, excellerate wear, crack, or even drop chunks on the road.

I think the question was more regarding storing the tires in cold weather. I also don't have access to a heated garage. Its well-insulated, but it can get below the recommended temperature depending on which direction the wind is blowing.

Mine are on the car now (which is in the garage for the winter), but in the future they will be stacked in the corner when I put my winters on. Please clarify.

[zaptorque]

"Additional flame comments directed at the OP"

[rapidcars]

Even with winters, I accelerated a bit hard around a corner that I always take hard except this time the temp was in the teens and I was surprised at how easily the back wanted to brake loose. Lesson learned. Drive it like a normal car when it's cold out.

[kchkwan]

well i deserve the flame, at the same time im trying to learn. im 22, i didn't have an option yesterday cuz my other car wasn't in the garage. I always had vsc sport on like i said bc i find shifting gears to be smoother not to burn rubber. I'm not driving it much, i just didn't have an option yesterday n i had class. I was stuck in the traffic at steeles bc of a 4 car accident on the bridge on 404 steeles, normally takes me 30mins to drive to skool, it took me 1hr yesterday. I got ticked off thats why i pulled that stupid move. though like i said, i don't like driving in daylight typically, so traffic really gets to me... thats why i cut between lanes when im forced to drive in daylight. but at nite i drive at the speed limit, no traffic, no cars, = happy me.

[mkiisupra]

Originally Posted by kchkwan

well i deserve the flame, at the same time im trying to learn. im 22, normally takes me 30mins to drive to skool, it took me 1hr yesterday. I got ticked off thats why i pulled that stupid move. though like i said, i don't like driving in daylight typically, so traffic really gets to me... thats why i cut between lanes when im forced to drive in daylight. but at nite i drive at the speed limit, no traffic, no cars, = happy me.

Sorry if I sound too much like a teacher, but we do offer Driver's Education at my school. I like to start each lesson with the fact that the frontal cortex (decision making) of the teenager's/young adult's brain isn't fully developed yet and that emotions and driving don't mix.

The reason you think that VSC sport mode is 'smoother' is that you are slightly slipping tires each time you release the pedal, rather than learning the clutch point on this car (not the easiest, admitted) with all traction nannies on.

Please don't make your car the one we get to scavenge for parts from the junkyard.

With that said, it is easier said than done when trying to remove one's emotional state during driving... Good luck, save the aggression for the autox/track.

Eric G

[kchkwan]

its all kool, the reason i joined a forum is so i get more knowledge on this car and cars in general.

actually the VSC maybe a mentality thing, but i posted before, i found it extremely annoying how 1st - 2nd always have a minimal jerk. I want that to be gone completely. it seemed to help with it on, prolly its my mind set. guess i'll leave it on from now on.

oh no don't worry, after that... i won't be driving it in the winter unless i get some winter tires... for now i'm stickin to the winter beater.

[The359]

Originally Posted by kchkwan

well i deserve the flame, at the same time im trying to learn. im 22, i didn't have an option yesterday cuz my other car wasn't in the garage. I always had vsc sport on like i said bc i find shifting gears to be smoother not to burn rubber. I'm not driving it much, i just didn't have an option yesterday n i had class. I was stuck in the traffic at steeles bc of a 4 car accident on the bridge on 404 steeles, normally takes me 30mins to drive to skool, it took me 1hr yesterday. I got ticked off thats why i pulled that stupid move. though like i said, i don't like driving in daylight typically, so traffic really gets to me... thats why i cut between lanes when im forced to drive in daylight. but at nite i drive at the speed limit, no traffic, no cars, = happy me.

I know you Canadians are odd and all, but can I get that translated into English please?

[SLOPPYDRFT26]

lmfao You guys crucified the poor kid for not knowing car basics. but seriously, they call them summer tires for a reason. lol
Driving with them in winter weather is like trying to play ice hockey in dress shoes.
btw a tune through ecutek or unichip will help with the throttle smoothness. also anything lightens rotational mass will help as well.(i.e. lightened pulleys, flywheel,carbon driveshaft)

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by kchkwan

...normally takes me 30mins to drive to skool...

thats why i cut between lanes when im forced to drive in daylight. but at nite i drive at the speed limit, no traffic, no cars, = happy me.

[wbradley]

If you drive winters in Toronto with the stock summer tires you WILL get into trouble, guaranteed. It doessnt matter if there is snow on the ground, the temperature is enough to eliminate traction.

Summer tires on the FR-s in winter is utter foolishness.

[Wattage]

I don't understand why you are driving with VSC sport mode when you don't even know how to drive the car

[engee]

Originally Posted by kchkwan

its all kool, the reason i joined a forum is so i get more knowledge on this car and cars in general.

actually the VSC maybe a mentality thing, but i posted before, i found it extremely annoying how 1st - 2nd always have a minimal jerk. I want that to be gone completely. it seemed to help with it on, prolly its my mind set. guess i'll leave it on from now on.

oh no don't worry, after that... i won't be driving it in the winter unless i get some winter tires... for now i'm stickin to the winter beater.

Just take your time and learn the car. The reason for it being jerky from 1st - 2nd is probably your footwork. You are probably either getting off the clutch too fast. It might be hard to admit, but like many other posters have state "The car only reacts to driver inputs." Very rarely is something not driver error.

Driving is an art and takes time to master. Do some autocrosses or driving schools. It's really humbling when you do one. I still remember one of my first instructors. I thought I was driving fast before. Then the instructor asked if he could drive my car and showed me how much faster the car could actually go.

Best of luck and stay off the roads in the winter with the summer tires! :happy0180:

[BRZfan]

Originally Posted by kchkwan

so traffic really gets to me... thats why i cut between lanes when im forced to drive in daylight. but at nite i drive at the speed limit, no traffic, no cars, = happy me.

FORCED? IN the Unites States of America we have the Bill of Rights.

[f0rge]

when you posted this it was -22C and there's snow everywhere and you're on summer tires and you're wondering why there's no grip?

what do you expect? summer tires are straight up dangerous in the winter, get some proper tires before you kill someone.