New member - A few things on my mind.

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes

Right now it seems to me that they've: missed their target weight, missed their target price range, created an absolutely hideous rear end, and alienated some potential customers with a single engine offering. They've kinda spun that latter bit to say "For a fun car, you don't need any more than that." I'm starting to worry that the car might not take well to much more power in the first place. I still want to test drive the car myself, but I wasn't blown away by the reviewers' comments on the handling.

I completely agree, I feel as though everything has been overshot just enough to the point to where I will probably... simply... just consider something else. If this car were sub $20k, it would be a different story. But it definitely doesn't look like that's going to be the case. I've had a lot of hope for this car, but just by saying that this is a "drivers car" you don't need hp to have fun doesn't appeal to me. Maybe it does to others, but I don't believe that outlook will allow this car to redeem the legendary rwd Toyota sports cars of the past, thus we shouldn't make it out to be any different than any other new car. It's a new "fun" car, that's going to be heavier, more expensive, not as cool looking as we expected, and less powerful than we had all hoped... but still fun!...? There's only so far you can go with it.

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes

Right now it seems to me that they've: missed their target weight, missed their target price range, created an absolutely hideous rear end, and alienated some potential customers with a single engine offering.

Those "target" items were slightly overstated to garner tons of initial interest and probably push internal development.

Say 30% of those initially interested walk away because it doesn't live up to expectations. From Toyota's marketing POV... that's OK! Because 100% of the people who would have settled for less did end up buying it including some who were on the fence. At least more than enough people knew about it. A classic marketing tactic that works. (Unfortunately used in the housing industry where buyer and seller agree on a price, put money into an approval process, then get rejected months later by banks who want tens of thousands more ...but I digress.)

On the other side of this token... engineering and manufacturing are given target specs and a cost slightly beyond what's achievable. Big boss Akio commands his marketing team to announce that target to... the WORLD?! That holds developers accountable not to big boss but the ultimate boss - the consumer. Developers are forced to innovate. Near the end of development - which probably happened this past week - they realize they will miss the target (barely). Don't tell the customers yet; they might dismiss our project prematurely! Yes, we missed our target but we worked our asses off (any ft86clubbers notice this?) to deliver our best possible product. To be fair, customers will get their chance to dismiss/approve our work on the showroom floor and test drive. Pushing the envelope - a classic practice on the development side of the corporate world.

In the end, most people on either side of the token will be happy. A few will walk away disappointed.

[Ryuu0u]

Always had my heart set on a 7th gen Celica GTS and it was pretty pricey at the time for what it was. 22k-25k is fine with me, I'll be keeping it for probably along time. If it lacks the handling and power i have no problem improving it myself just like if I got a celica.

[balance]

So far, my only gripe is the estimated 2,800lbs weight. I just don't see why this car would weight 300lbs over the mx-5.
(Is the Subaru's 2.0 NA boxer engine generally considered a heavy engine?)

My optimistic theory is that Toyata/Subaru are trying to surprise us when they release the final spec at the TAS. With so much information that has already been leaked, they gotta have at least one thing hidden up in their sleeves to catch us off guard.

As long as the official weight comes under 2,700lbs, I would most likely purchase this vehicle.

[Abflug]

Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes

All this info in the past week or so has been incredible, we've seen plenty of new members here getting even more hyped about the car. But honestly, the more I see and read, the less interested I become. Maybe the official announcements will change that.

Right now it seems to me that they've: missed their target weight, missed their target price range, created an absolutely hideous rear end, and alienated some potential customers with a single engine offering. They've kinda spun that latter bit to say "For a fun car, you don't need any more than that." I'm starting to worry that the car might not take well to much more power in the first place. I still want to test drive the car myself, but I wasn't blown away by the reviewers' comments on the handling.

Luckily I'm in no rush to buy right now, just riding the hype roller coaster.

this, just this!

[BMWDAD]

Although I am probably a BRZ person vs the Scion let me make a few comments.
I am differently an older member here, and have owned many cars.

Fun is the most important aspect of owning a car.
My current car BMW 335i coupe is a very competent car, but not fun.
The two miatas I owned were fun every time you got into the car.
So the reviews for the toyosubaru are spot on for me.
Others cars I am considering.............

BRZ
Miata ND
BMW 2 coupe
Rumor of Acura RSX-S coming
redesign VW GTI

May the most fun car win!

[czar07]

Originally Posted by balance

As long as the official weight comes under 2,700lbs, I would most likely purchase this vehicle.

youre in luck mate, 1210kg for manual low spec in the other thread

[balance]

Originally Posted by czar07

youre in luck mate, 1210kg for manual low spec in the other thread

This is a really great news! It sure was the good surprise! Mate!

[ddr6]

I think the 25 thousand base price is going 2 scare me away.

[solu]

i got a question aswell. might sound a bit stupid but ive never bought a new car directly when it came out so what im basicly wondering is:

the german autobild says release "May 2012". does that mean the car will just start to be produced in may or can you order the car earlier already and the first cars are being given out in may? how does that work? and how long does toyota and scion usually take to produce a car? 3 months?

[balance]

Originally Posted by ddr6

I think the 25 thousand base price is going 2 scare me away.

IMHO, the 25k base price is too high especially for the scion model. You should not be scared away!

[ddr6]

if the base price stays around the 20k range u can bet I will be waiting outside the dealership 2 order one but I just can't justify spending 25k plus a like 2grand on options

[balance]

My speculation is that the scion base model will not exceed 22k and it will come with 16 inch wheels and not many standard options to keep the price low. Of course, you will be able to add things like larger wheels,etc. as options and accessory items, not to mention the fancy TRD upgrades.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by solu

i got a question aswell. might sound a bit stupid but ive never bought a new car directly when it came out so what im basicly wondering is:

the german autobild says release "May 2012". does that mean the car will just start to be produced in may or can you order the car earlier already and the first cars are being given out in may? how does that work? and how long does toyota and scion usually take to produce a car? 3 months?

No one knows for sure.

Toyota/Subaru should release that info at TMS, or maybe they'll "leak" it before then.