Official San Antonio , TX Thread!!

[Got3n]

Originally Posted by tuckdaddy

I'd recommend the Adams products to keep it looking that way after your opticoat!

I use Adams as well. So yes, i suggest you use them too.

[TravBRZ]

Anyone on here have the Firestorm FRS that made it on the news? Story about a Via cop not wanting to cut his hair on KENS5. As they transitioned to a shot of a Via building they got a good shot of the FRS rolling by.

[tripjammer]

I hope to meet up with you folks one day...soon!

[FrsRN]

Where should i go and how much to get opti coated

[blunova]

Originally Posted by FrsRN

Where should i go and how much to get opti coated

Concours Auto Salon! A couple of us had it done there and it looks great! They charge $250.

[Got3n]

Originally Posted by FrsRN

Where should i go and how much to get opti coated

I got mines done at Jays Detail. Hes very good. Price can vary depending on the amount of work that needs to be done to your car. Mine was $550 cause I had lots of swirls in the coating from the factory, but it was totally worth it. Jay is running a group buy right now for $400 and its a great price, he does the the whole thing. If you want just the coating and want the removal of swirls and what not, then I would suspect it to be cheaper.

You can see my shots here. http://imgur.com/a/aBYqY

[aaronosaurus]

Originally Posted by Speedy000

RCE springs r designed with fuction>form in mind.

What problem with the suspension are they fixing?

Originally Posted by Speedy000

most drivers will not install coilovers and have them set up properly to use them at 100% anyway.

Very true.

Improving the motor is easy to prove quantitatively(e.g. dyno graph). Its much harder to do with suspension, partially because at a fine level it really maters who is driving, and how you drive. Harder mounts, and other changes that increase the rigidity suspension or change the alignment under force are even suspect now that the original automotive engineers have simulators that can model the deformation of individual parts.

edit: What I'm trying to say is if you want to make it lower and stiffer BECAUSE RACECAR go for it. But you can't say everything is empirically better just because it's lower and stiffer(twss).

[Got3n]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

I hope to meet up with you folks one day...soon!

If you really want to go, i have an open seat on saturday morning, I dont drive super fast but you are more then welcome to join.

[Ricepuddin]

Originally Posted by aaronosaurus

What problem with the suspension are they fixing?

Very true.

Improving the motor is easy to prove quantitatively(e.g. dyno graph). Its much harder to do with suspension, partially because at a fine level it really maters who is driving, and how you drive. Harder mounts, and other changes that increase the rigidity suspension or change the alignment under force are even suspect now that the original automotive engineers have simulators that can model the deformation of individual parts.

edit: What I'm trying to say is if you want to make it lower and stiffer BECAUSE RACECAR go for it. But you can't say everything is empirically better just because it's lower and stiffer


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The FR-S spring differ slightly from the BRZ, we're set up for oversteer. The RCE's are a mild drop (0.8in) and while balancing the car out causing it to handle more like a BRZ.

Also everyone expects something different form the car, and everyone will find things they do not like. I am running wider, sticker tires. To me the amount of body roll is unacceptable, that's the beauty of these cars the aftermarket is there to cover down.

We have a saying in the medical world; " If a placebo works, it's not a placebo". So If I slap on coilovers and tun better times at an autocross event just because I am more confident in the car than so be it.


Just to clarify your edit comes off as slightly pompous, I won't dispute your knowledge on the subject because I don't know you. Hell for all I know you're an engineer with Toyota , that still doesn't make you omnipotent so keep it civil in the local thread ( and if that wasn't you're intent, my apologies)

[tuckdaddy]

On another note. Another reason to love driving this car!

[mRdeMs83]

Originally Posted by tuckdaddy

On another note. Another reason to love driving this car! Attachment 25503

I filled up at 35.40 last night

Argento ate6

[aaronosaurus]

Originally Posted by Ricepuddin

The FR-S spring differ slightly from the BRZ, we're set up for oversteer. The RCE's are a mild drop (0.8in) and while balancing the car out causing it to handle more like a BRZ.

Also everyone expects something different form the car, and everyone will find things they do not like. I am running wider, sticker tires. To me the amount of body roll is unacceptable, that's the beauty of these cars the aftermarket is there to cover down.

We have a saying in the medical world; " If a placebo works, it's not a placebo". So If I slap on coilovers and tun better times at an autocross event just because I am more confident in the car than so be it.


Just to clarify your edit comes off as slightly pompous, I won't dispute your knowledge on the subject because I don't know you. Hell for all I know you're an engineer with Toyota , that still doesn't make you omnipotent so keep it civil in the local thread ( and if that wasn't you're intent, my apologies)

tldr; I'm sorry if I came off as pompous, it wasn't my intention. I just want everyone to have a reason for the changes they make to their car.

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I wasn't trying to be hostile, there is a meme of doing things "because racecar," and if thats why someone wants to make a change to their car I'm fine with that. But I'm trying to save johatan25 and anyone else playing along at home from potentially making a mistake on these cars with a modification thats a sure thing on other cars. Most vehicles have compromises made in the suspension for comfort, but the big selling point of these cars is the amount of engineering effort they've put into the suspension.

Your situation is different, you had a problem with the suspension(it's not quite stiff enough for the stickier tiers) and so made a change to try and fix that problem. Saying "I couldn't beat that Mini at autocross, put new coilovers on the car, now I can run faster than him" is as close to empirical evidence of more grip as we can get. It's not 100% because of the amount of variability between each autocross run, let alone from event to event.Motor tuning, on the other hand, allows us to replicate the conditions of each test almost exactly. We can quite literally run an identical test at the push of a button. This lets tuners demonstrate how the changes they've made to the vehicle change the performance of the vehicle.

[johatan25]

This decision is getting a little harder to make. While I am wanting to lower my car for looks, I want to keep in mind that I don't want to compromise its performance, but improve it, even if its slightly. (Basically looks + a little performance improv, I'm sold). I know little about vehicle modifications, so I rely mostly on other people's experience. @Ricepuddin, I am still solid on the springs. But if I can get even more details, I'd really appreciate. I would like to add, I am running 235/35/18 Falkens on all 4 wheels. I appreciate all the insight and advice from all of you!

Originally Posted by Ricepuddin

The FR-S spring differ slightly from the BRZ, we're set up for oversteer. The RCE's are a mild drop (0.8in) and while balancing the car out causing it to handle more like a BRZ....

Originally Posted by aaronosaurus

tldr; I'm sorry if I came off as pompous, it wasn't my intention. I just want everyone to have a reason for the changes they make to their car...

[Ricepuddin]

Originally Posted by aaronosaurus

tldr; I'm sorry if I came off as pompous, it wasn't my intention. I just want everyone to have a reason for the changes they make to their car.

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I wasn't trying to be hostile, there is a meme of doing things "because racecar," and if thats why someone wants to make a change to their car I'm fine with that. But I'm trying to save johatan25 and anyone else playing along at home from potentially making a mistake on these cars with a modification thats a sure thing on other cars. Most vehicles have compromises made in the suspension for comfort, but the big selling point of these cars is the amount of engineering effort they've put into the suspension.

Your situation is different, you had a problem with the suspension(it's not quite stiff enough for the stickier tiers) and so made a change to try and fix that problem. Saying "I couldn't beat that Mini at autocross, put new coilovers on the car, now I can run faster than him" is as close to empirical evidence of more grip as we can get. It's not 100% because of the amount of variability between each autocross run, let alone from event to event.Motor tuning, on the other hand, allows us to replicate the conditions of each test almost exactly. We can quite literally run an identical test at the push of a button. This lets tuners demonstrate how the changes they've made to the vehicle change the performance of the vehicle.

In fairness, that's the only part I was referring to. Everything else you said came off knowledgeable and trying to help out, so we can probably chalk it up to an internet misinterpretation, so again my apologies.