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Old 01-13-2013, 11:19 PM   #183
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Don't get me wrong, I think it will be very fast and perhaps the best cost/performance value, but as far as the design goes the whole thing just looks incredibly tacky to me. If I didn't know this was the official C7 I would think it was just some body kit/tuner version of a C6.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:38 PM   #184
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Old 01-14-2013, 12:53 AM   #185
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Driver Oriented Dash Idea taken from other cars (meh) i wonder if the rear is still a plastic hollow bendable piece.

Other than that looks good
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Old 01-14-2013, 03:09 AM   #186
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Love it. If driving feel has greatly improved like they're claiming, might trade the Boss for C7 Z51 torch red.
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Old 01-14-2013, 03:44 AM   #187
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I really dislike the exterior, but they deserve compliments on the drivetrain and chassis. The bars in the gigantic front grille are flat out ugly (anyone else think they look like braces on teeth?), and the rear is extremely ugly as well.

Opening those vents for transmission cooling is a very clever adaptation to the upward slanting body at the rear (good to see they're not trying to use it for brake cooling like the Viper, because using 2 90 degree turns with a submerged inlet like they do on the Viper means you don't get airflow for crap), but ideally for aero they should be using soft edges, not those sharp ones.

Still, DI, VCM, intake cam phasing, 2 stage oil pump, 7 speed manual gearbox is pretty much as good as it gets. They'll need to eventually add start-stop in a refresh if they want that 17mpg city figure to go up, a 6.2L engine just burns through too much fuel while idle. If it were up to me to decide the engine's targets, I'd care less about the torque and drop the displacement a little and put the power up higher in the rev range, to make only 450hp from a direct injected 6.2L engine is a little pathetic. This is a light sports car, not a truck.

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Old 01-14-2013, 03:59 AM   #188
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Too scowly, entirely too close to the Viper front end.
Not bad, though. It looks like the Corvette and the Viper manage to keep the front end reasonably low. Are they just not selling them in Europe where uber-ridiculous "pedestrian impact" laws are forcing cars to have high, bluff front ends?
Nah, I think the engine sits 3 inches or whatever the requirement is below the hood. It looks like the hood starts slanting downward right after the engine block, so it ends up with a nice low nose. Or, put another way, there is a bulge in the hood where the engine is, and the hood is otherwise low. Meanwhile, Aston Martin is having some styling problems because their V12 models are longer and taller so they can't do the same thing to the hood as the engine is poking too far out ahead of the front axle.

Thankfully, I'm more attracted to mid engine car proportions, and those aren't affected by those retarded European laws since there's no engine in front
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:16 AM   #189
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i like the new look would change things here and there..

here are all its colors... got the color and rim selector from here http://www.chevrolet.com/new-2014-corvette/ you guys want to play around with it.
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I really dislike the exterior, but they deserve compliments on the drivetrain and chassis. The bars in the gigantic front grille are flat out ugly (anyone else think they look like braces on teeth?), and the rear is extremely ugly as well.

Opening those vents for transmission cooling is a very clever adaptation to the upward slanting body at the rear (good to see they're not trying to use it for brake cooling like the Viper, because using 2 90 degree turns with a submerged inlet like they do on the Viper means you don't get airflow for crap), but ideally for aero they should be using soft edges, not those sharp ones.

Still, DI, VCM, intake cam phasing, 2 stage oil pump, 7 speed manual gearbox is pretty much as good as it gets. They'll need to eventually add start-stop in a refresh if they want that 17mpg city figure to go up, a 6.2L engine just burns through too much fuel while idle. If it were up to me to decide the engine's targets, I'd care less about the torque and drop the displacement a little and put the power up higher in the rev range, to make only 450hp from a direct injected 6.2L engine is a little pathetic. This is a light sports car, not a truck.
I guess me and you differ on this part but when a 3100 lb car is making 450hp/450tq even from a 8L it is not pathetic. This car is all about the P2W ratio and that matters much to enthusiast who craves performance. I could understand your point if it only made 270hp with 6.2L, What I find funny is when some cars come with this 100hp/L thing and still feel slow as shit. It's as if that's supposed to make a difference that's impressive.
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I guess me and you differ on this part but when a 3100 lb car is making 450hp/450tq even from a 8L it is not pathetic. This car is all about the P2W ratio and that matters much to enthusiast who craves performance. I could understand your point if it only made 270hp with 6.2L, What I find funny is when some cars come with this 100hp/L thing and still feel slow as shit. It's as if that's supposed to make a difference that's impressive.
450hp is pretty good, but the point was that they gave it truck cams which defeats the purpose. Go big or go home. If the target is 450hp, use a 5.5-5.7L engine, not a 6.2, and save some cost, mass, fuel, and engine compartment space. Save the bigger engine for the Z06 model or whatever, or make the base model Corvette more powerful.

I'm not talking about overhead cams vs. pushrod.

All else equal, to use a bigger engine to make the same power makes very little sense when you have enough torque to spin the tires off the line.
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Old 01-14-2013, 06:09 AM   #192
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Interior is underwhelming and the back is bit too much. Overall, I still think it looks really good.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:22 AM   #193
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Looks pretty good. As others have mentioned, I don't like the rear or the interior much, but hard to tell from pics. I would love to see one in person.
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I very much love the whole design, if there's one thing is I find the rear is too flat, I would have liked it to have a bit more relief. Feels like there's too much going on on a 2d surface.
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I hate the Camaro taillights. Everything else looks good. And it's about time they updated the interior so it doesn't look like it's from a Cobalt.
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450hp is pretty good, but the point was that they gave it truck cams which defeats the purpose. Go big or go home. If the target is 450hp, use a 5.5-5.7L engine, not a 6.2, and save some cost, mass, fuel, and engine compartment space. Save the bigger engine for the Z06 model or whatever, or make the base model Corvette more powerful.

I'm not talking about overhead cams vs. pushrod.

All else equal, to use a bigger engine to make the same power makes very little sense when you have enough torque to spin the tires off the line.
I can spin the tires off the line in my BRZ with 150lb/f of torque, that argument is kinda meaningless...

As for cost, mass,and engine space, a 5.7 or a 6.2 will take up the same amount of space. The difference in displacement is a matter of cylinder bore and stroke. The block size will stay the same.

The Vette's strength is it's torque and ability to exit corners better than its competition. Going to a small displacement low-tq, high-hp engine just because that's what the europeans do won't do it any favors.
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