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RYU · 01-11-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Unleashed

There was a frs at SEMA running nitrous and it used the intake runners by just drilling into them to place the injectors, so this is a totally feasible idea and one I might look at, concourse using meth/water like mentioned not nitrous lol

Meth/Water vs. Nitrous are apples and oranges.

Meth/Water is a better and cheaper substitute than race gas. It cools the air down because of the water. The meth adds octane (prevents detonation) which allows you to run more boost and/or more timing - though for this example I will not be tuning for meth.. just want it's cooling properties and safety.

Nitrous is a power added with the increased chance of KABOOM. Though it does a good job of cooling the IAT

Unleashed · 01-11-2013, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RYU

Meth/Water vs. Nitrous are apples and oranges.

Meth/Water is a better and cheaper substitute than race gas. It cools the air down because of the water. The meth adds octane (prevents detonation) which allows you to run more boost and/or more timing - though for this example I will not be tuning for meth.. just want it's cooling properties and safety.

Nitrous is a power added with the increased chance of KABOOM. Though it does a good job of cooling the IAT

You completely misread my post. I was simply stating that it is possible to place meth/water injectors on the runners. Thanks for explaining the obvious differences between the two.

OrbitalEllipses · 01-11-2013, 04:18 PM

Adding a meth kit is just another potential source of failure that's annoying on a street car/DD. I've yet to see a kit I like with a fail-safe I trust.

DBee · 01-11-2013, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Adding a meth kit is just another potential source of failure that's annoying on a street car/DD. I've yet to see a kit I like with a fail-safe I trust.

Snow Performance offers a lot of fail safe stuff to retard timing, decrease boost, etc. if there's a failure in the meth injection system, and I don't see why I wouldn't trust a fail safe based on a flow sensor. But all that gets so expensive that it's just not worth it.

gmookher · 01-11-2013, 04:30 PM

I don't think you would ever add a Fmic with out serious tuning consequences on this kit...

OrbitalEllipses · 01-11-2013, 04:31 PM

^^Yeah that. It gets expensive for a PROPER meth setup (a jet in each runner, multiple fail-safes, etc.)...Hell, I think I've already spent somewhere around 15% of the car's value in mods, spending another 20% on FI just makes my wallet shrivel up in fear.

SubieNate · 01-11-2013, 04:38 PM

FMIC will never happen unless the manifold is completely redesigned. The air has to be cooled after it goes through the SC and as is it goes intake>SC>Manifold. With the SC bolted directly to the manifold it's kind of impossible to take the air out, cool it, and put it back in.

Nathan

cruzinbill · 01-11-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SubieNate

FMIC will never happen unless the manifold is completely redesigned. The air has to be cooled after it goes through the SC and as is it goes intake>SC>Manifold. With the SC bolted directly to the manifold it's kind of impossible to take the air out, cool it, and put it back in.

Nathan

I think people are still considering an air to water to be a FMIC. Since the heat exchanger is still front mounted.

Which is all a FMIC is..... a front mounted heat exchanger.

OrbitalEllipses · 01-11-2013, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cruzinbill

I think people are still considering an air to water to be a FMIC. Since the heat exchanger is still front mounted.

Which is all a FMIC is..... a front mounted heat exchanger.

Guess it's a hard concept to grasp.

DBee · 01-11-2013, 05:07 PM

It's okay guys, I figured it out. Innovate should just hire me now.

RYU · 01-11-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Unleashed

You completely misread my post. I was simply stating that it is possible to place meth/water injectors on the runners. Thanks for explaining the obvious differences between the two.

WHoops! I did miss read your original post! My bad...

Sometimes the obvious isn't so obvious for the newbs in this forum

Just trying to help

Unleashed · 01-11-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RYU

WHoops! I did miss read your original post! My bad...

Sometimes the obvious isn't so obvious for the newbs in this forum

Just trying to help

It's all good brotha!

Sportsguy83 · 01-11-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DBee

It's okay guys, I figured it out. Innovate should just hire me now.

LMAO!!!

thebear21 · 01-13-2013, 07:09 PM

ft86speedfactory have this thing for sale? i want! but no numbers

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