Hella Fail

[SLICVIC]

are you implying someone who purchases a sports car MUST modify it to your tastes?

is ft86club the new nasioc? why not bash people who speed? safety issue or hate?

if the real issue against stance was safety then maybe we should include the people who are racing on public roads or people who drive drunk or people who are just poor drivers. but instead the stance crowd is singled out, good job . if you have a hidden agenda against stance dont cover it up with safety issues

[Kido1986]

I think you forget the fact that it IS a safety issue. We dont have to chastise drunk drivers, street racers and others, society does that as they know how dangerous it is. Society (and hell, many of the people "building" these cars even!) don't know or understand how dangerous Hellaflush stuff is.

If you want to limit the functionality of a car while being very dangerous, that's your prerogative but we want others who are just curious about getting into this that there is a danger associated with it, something they may not have thought about before. Street racers know it's dangerous, drunker drivers know it's dangerous, stanced drivers should know it's dangerous as well. All three are fairly bad ideas but is your job to make your own (Informed!) decision.

[7thgear]

i think the whole hella movement makes for neat looking cars, so i like it visually

but it's also dangerous, which i don't mine

but it's a danger that involves not just the driver/owner but everyone around them during a normal drive on the street

and i don't want to be put at risk because of your stupidity


which, btw, i think is different from drunk driving where an act is done under an altered state of mind, as opposed to hell-flush, which is done in sound of mind.

[SLICVIC]

Originally Posted by Kido1986

I think you forget the fact that it IS a safety issue. We dont have to chastise drunk drivers, street racers and others, society does that as they know how dangerous it is. Society (and hell, many of the people "building" these cars even!) don't know or understand how dangerous Hellaflush stuff is.

If you want to limit the functionality of a car while being very dangerous, that's your prerogative but we want others who are just curious about getting into this that there is a danger associated with it, something they may not have thought about before. Street racers know it's dangerous, drunker drivers know it's dangerous, stanced drivers should know it's dangerous as well. All three are fairly bad ideas but is your job to make your own (Informed!) decision.

i can respect this post

of course i agree , a tire stretched beyond capacity is unsafe and people who are new to it should know about the safety issues. i just dont agree with saying thats the reason why the functional crowd hates the scene. maybe the reason why subienate hates the scene, but the whole world?

Originally Posted by SubieNate

This is why the rest of the world really, really "hates on" your style preferences.

[Kido1986]

Though people like me really do dislike seeing purpose built sports cars have their abilities neutered. There are plenty of Civics and Sentras around to ruin :P

[OmarGC]

@Kido1986

What in your eyes is the point where you say a "stance" car is unsafe? I feel your the type to exaggerate...

Would you criticise a 235 on a 9.5?

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[CanibeatNoel]

I can first and foremost say that with the trend of 'hellaflush' fanatics the people that give the scene a bad name are usually the younger kids with haggard cars like older generation civics with a roll/pull with a baseball bat on some Rota's or XXR's with spacers to push the wheel out and to top it off with chewed up fenders.

I used to have a ton of respect for MotoIQ until I started reading more into their blogs and saw what they post up on their Facebook. I feel like if they don't like something they feel the need to bash on it and have everyone hate it as well. For example I was interning at a marketing company in which they showed up, took a picture of my FRS which I at the time just installed my Airrex suspension, and labeled it 'hellafail'. I feel like their classy-ness of a reputable blog/site has gone down drastically.



The saddest part of all of this is when people start bashing the owners of the car because they wanted to modify it the way they envisioned. The automotive scene is so screwed up by people telling others what to and what not to do.

People have different taste. At the end of the day, it's YOUR car and do as YOU please with it.



:happy0180:

[Turbowned]

Stance/hellaflush is a pain in the ass. Why, you ask? Try being friends with a bunch of guys who are into it. They make their cars impossible to drive on the street. Can't go up driveways, can't go over curbs, they wear the inner tread blocks off their tires every 6k miles (love working at a shop and constantly having friends ask me to change their camber-worn tires every few months - LOVE IT). Tires de-bead themselves when you're on a drive and you have to sit around with them while they wait for a tow truck. Gotta run home and grab their spare tires 'cause their stock spare will rub the fender because it's too low. It's just one bull$#!t problem after another. Then they ask me when I'm gonna go lower with my car. I'm like "when I make it a track car, fool".

Try driving their cars; it's terrifying. What's an alignment to a hellaflush fanboy? It's $89 they could be spending on tires, of course! I'm not even gonna go into the cheap Chinese wheels and coilovers bit; that's an argument for another time!

NEWS FLASH: your cars look F%#KING STUPID and so do you!

There, I said it.

[caliboy15]

hella dumb...

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by CanibeatNoel

I can first and foremost say that with the trend of 'hellaflush' fanatics the people that give the scene a bad name are usually the younger kids with haggard cars like older generation civics with a roll/pull with a baseball bat on some Rota's or XXR's with spacers to push the wheel out and to top it off with chewed up fenders.

I used to have a ton of respect for MotoIQ until I started reading more into their blogs and saw what they post up on their Facebook. I feel like if they don't like something they feel the need to bash on it and have everyone hate it as well. For example I was interning at a marketing company in which they showed up, took a picture of my FRS which I at the time just installed my Airrex suspension, and labeled it 'hellafail'. I feel like their classy-ness of a reputable blog/site has gone down drastically.



The saddest part of all of this is when people start bashing the owners of the car because they wanted to modify it the way they envisioned. The automotive scene is so screwed up by people telling others what to and what not to do.

People have different taste. At the end of the day, it's YOUR car and do as YOU please with it.



:happy0180:

Speak on it! :happy0180:

[SubieNate]

Originally Posted by SLICVIC

are you implying someone who purchases a sports car MUST modify it to your tastes?

is ft86club the new nasioc? why not bash people who speed? safety issue or hate?

if the real issue against stance was safety then maybe we should include the people who are racing on public roads or people who drive drunk or people who are just poor drivers. but instead the stance crowd is singled out, good job . if you have a hidden agenda against stance dont cover it up with safety issues

This is the suspension subforum. Those issues have nothing to do with this thread. End of story. I can and will bash people who street race. It's just not what this thread is about. It's not about singling out the hellaflush fad, it's about hellaflush being the topic of this particular conversation. I wouldn't go to Lindsay Lohan's house and lecture her on hellaflush because it has nothing to do with her drunk driving problems. Just like drunk driving has nothing to do with this thread.

The bottom line is that hellaflush can and often does greatly compromise the safety and performance of a vehicle. Whether or not that is my sole complaint or the main complaint of the community at large does not matter. It's just what we happen to be talking about right now, in this thread, on this forum. If you don't like that fact, stop reading this thread.

As far as the NASIOC thing, this is a car built by Subaru. Did you expect a completely separate and different community? My guess is we've got a lot of engineers up in here that are firmly on the function side of the spectrum and just can't understand why people would like something that has such bad potential side effects. This is a performance car. how can it be surprising that people don't like it when an owner completely disregards that with their modifications?

Originally Posted by Kido1986

Though people like me really do dislike seeing purpose built sports cars have their abilities neutered. There are plenty of Civics and Sentras around to ruin :P

I think this is definitely part of it. As an engineer myself, I feel like the engineers who put SO much time into making this car handle as brilliantly as it does would be pained to see it's performance hampered by an overly large focus on a particular aesthetic. Taking a car who's entire focus from the very beginning has been amazing handling and balance and then performing such one sided modification it just seems sad to me. To each his own, but at least do it in a manner that does everything possible to mitigate the negative effects.

It's like when I seen an exotic with dubs and 25 series tires. All I can think is, "That poor car..." because it's being forced to cope with forces and situations that it was never designed for. Even though it's an inanimate object, my gut reaction is to feel bad that it's owned by someone who completely misses the point of it's existence. Same deal with lifted trucks that never see mud or Z06 Corvettes that have never seen a full throttle acceleration because they're driven by someone who's afraid of the car. It's like seeing a panther in a cage at the zoo and just knowing that all it wants is to be allowed to hunt and knowing that it's never going to happen.

Originally Posted by CanibeatNoel

I can first and foremost say that with the trend of 'hellaflush' fanatics the people that give the scene a bad name are usually the younger kids with haggard cars like older generation civics with a roll/pull with a baseball bat on some Rota's or XXR's with spacers to push the wheel out and to top it off with chewed up fenders.

I used to have a ton of respect for MotoIQ until I started reading more into their blogs and saw what they post up on their Facebook. I feel like if they don't like something they feel the need to bash on it and have everyone hate it as well. For example I was interning at a marketing company in which they showed up, took a picture of my FRS which I at the time just installed my Airrex suspension, and labeled it 'hellafail'. I feel like their classy-ness of a reputable blog/site has gone down drastically.



The saddest part of all of this is when people start bashing the owners of the car because they wanted to modify it the way they envisioned. The automotive scene is so screwed up by people telling others what to and what not to do.

People have different taste. At the end of the day, it's YOUR car and do as YOU please with it.



:happy0180:

That was likely written by Mike Kojima as well. Probably one of the most opinionated people in the car scene, a massive technical nerd, and the combo of age and internet fame have likely combined to make for pretty outspoken and uncensored opinions, for better or worse.

I don't like air suspension myself, but I do feel that it is a better way of doing things than the cheap coilovers most people go for. Especially if your raise it to a reasonable ride height when cruising on the highway.

If you think of cars like art, and how you modify them is an expression of your personal taste, then what do you expect? There are art critics and film critics and so on and so forth and there always have been. Where would the movie industry be if every director or screen writer just said, "Well, that's just like, your opinion man" and kept writing whatever they wanted? Lets give people a little benefit of the doubt and believe that those that dislike the hellaflush, stanced out look are mostly interested in educating people as to why it can be a problem instead of complaining that not everyone likes your car and that some people are vocal about it.

Cheers
Nathan

[Kido1986]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

@Kido1986

What in your eyes is the point where you say a "stance" car is unsafe? I feel your the type to exaggerate...

Would you criticise a 235 on a 9.5?

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235, while a bit outside of my comfort zone, isn't TOO terrible. I've considered a 235 on a 9" in the name of a stiff sidewall but decided against it. Judging from seeing it on a 9", a 9.5" is much further than I'd like but the limit of what I'd think is safe.

What scares me are the number of people here with the stock 215s (which are narrow by a 215's standard) on 9" wide wheels. And I've seen 215s on 10" wheels. That just looks like an accident waiting on happen.

Here in Orlando where the Honda/VW scene is huge, there are a lot of cars on 9-9.5" wheels with 195-205s and it's just sickening.

[Gixxersixxerman]

I believe it is YOUR car to do with it as YOU please.. I'm not into it there for I'm a "hater" seen this miata with stance nation stickers all over it, lots of nice carbon and if it wasn't for the stupid looking stance I bet would be a track monster.. With cords showing on the outside of the tires and the inside because he flipped the tires already.. And when he tried to race me, just spun the tires because the 3 inches maybe of rubber cord and steel belt wasn't enough to hope whatever he had in the engine.. It's rather ignorant IMHO.. That said.. Make it a show car make it a trailer queen, I don't race on the street, that guy was doing well over 80-90 mph in city traffic, waiting for that tire to blow and cause a stupid wreck because of his stupidity.. I love tucked wheel, I'm from the minitruckin scene.. I loved my Tahoe tucking my 22's.. But only when it was parked.. And I did scrap here and there... I'd lay it out on the highway, and it drove so different because the alignment was done at a low but reasonable ride height, that when layer out and the camber up front and stuff would just make the whole truck drive bad.. I have seen a few hella fail cars on the side of the highway because of a flat tire... I have seen minitrucks on the highway to with bad bags..

I guess my point it, tell it how it is, it's done for looks, and looks only, you put aesthetics in front of functionality.. I fell the same with lowered sport bikes, fat 300mm tired busa's and zx1400's.. For looks and show I'm all for it.. To ride on the street it's just plain stupid..

But it's your car, do what you want with it..

[gmookher]

Ever hear of a pyrometer?

Stretched tires and excessive camber only reaffirm Darwinism