The Great Hatch vs Trunk Debate - Page 15 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Ryephile · 09-21-2011, 10:25 AM

Well this is curious; 76% of the poll results say we want a hatchback or fastback or some sort of rear opening that's useful. Little trunk openings are impractical and are counter to Mr. Scion VP's speech of being able to put a set of track tires in the back.

I for one hope the FT-86 concept with its prototype trunk lid is just a quick-n-dirty solution prior to Toyota/Subaru engineering a proper fastback liftgate.

pastuch · 09-21-2011, 11:19 AM

If the rear seats don't fold down I can't buy one. Need to put skis in this bad boy. Based on the mannequin drawings in another thread we figure the distance from the back of the drivers seat (with a 6' driver) to the back of the trunk is 70 inches. If I put my skis on a diagonal I could even fit my 180 Touring skis!

dominican · 09-21-2011, 11:59 AM

This thing really needs to be a hatchback, or a fastback, whatever you want to call it. The whole thing should lift up, back glass and all, in order to make this as useful a car as possible. As it has been mentioned before, the Scion TC has a hatch, so I don't know why this wouldn't. Hatches make life so much easier for a 2 door car owner...

Andy · 09-21-2011, 01:46 PM

I'll take whichever has the least body flex thanks!

Done.

Marrk · 09-21-2011, 02:34 PM

^^ +1.

RRnold · 09-21-2011, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryephile

Well this is curious; 76% of the poll results say we want a hatchback or fastback or some sort of rear opening that's useful. Little trunk openings are impractical and are counter to Mr. Scion VP's speech of being able to put a set of track tires in the back.

I for one hope the FT-86 concept with its prototype trunk lid is just a quick-n-dirty solution prior to Toyota/Subaru engineering a proper fastback liftgate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pastuch

If the rear seats don't fold down I can't buy one. Need to put skis in this bad boy. Based on the mannequin drawings in another thread we figure the distance from the back of the drivers seat (with a 6' driver) to the back of the trunk is 70 inches. If I put my skis on a diagonal I could even fit my 180 Touring skis!

Why not get a ski rack? I had a Thule snowboard rack on my GSR and that could hold 4 boards as well as still seat 4.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dominican

This thing really needs to be a hatchback, or a fastback, whatever you want to call it. The whole thing should lift up, back glass and all, in order to make this as useful a car as possible. As it has been mentioned before, the Scion TC has a hatch, so I don't know why this wouldn't. Hatches make life so much easier for a 2 door car owner...

Yup, it's NEEDS TO BE!! Do you hear that Scion/Toyota/Subaru!! NEEDS TO BE A FASTBACK!! NOW DO WORK!

Giccin · 09-21-2011, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dominican

This thing really needs to be a hatchback, or a fastback, whatever you want to call it. The whole thing should lift up, back glass and all, in order to make this as useful a car as possible. As it has been mentioned before, the Scion TC has a hatch, so I don't know why this wouldn't. Hatches make life so much easier for a 2 door car owner...

+10000

Yes it does.

Allch Chcar · 09-21-2011, 03:41 PM

I agree RRnold. But I am being realistic based on what I have seen.

We have 91 votes for Hatchback, and 29 votes that want a trunk. Ignoring the brands. That said I can't imagine why it would actually end up with a trunk.

I would be happier if this was a hatchback. This car needs every advantage it can get. So long as it looks like a coupe and performs like a coupe, who's going to hate on it if it's actually a hatchback

.

RRnold · 09-21-2011, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

I agree RRnold. But I am being realistic based on what I have seen.

We have 91 votes for Hatchback, and 29 votes that want a trunk. Ignoring the brands. That said I can't imagine why it would actually end up with a trunk.

I would be happier if this was a hatchback. This car needs every advantage it can get. So long as it looks like a coupe and performs like a coupe, who's going to hate on it if it's actually a hatchback

.

Yeah, that is true in every aspect. The MKI was a trunk and the test car at the Ring looked like a high possiblity that it could be a trunk. However, this car already seems to have the advantage and already a low target weight. Even if it was a hatch, with the additional weight, it's going to be a great car.

I mentioned it before and aside from the drive, I often compare this car to the DC2 Integra which was a sub 2700 lbs, a fastback and is currently the best handling FF car.

By the way they haven't really had any information and keep cycling through old specutions, I have a feeling we'll be "whoa... no way!" come the release day.

RRnold · 10-21-2011, 03:47 PM

I really thought there was hope... Brokeback-notchback!

Giccin · 10-21-2011, 04:10 PM

boooooooooooooooooooooo BOOOOOOOOOO.

Actually if they did that.. and it included the wing... wouldn't the wing hit the top?

ichitaka05 · 10-21-2011, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giccin

boooooooooooooooooooooo BOOOOOOOOOO.

Actually if they did that.. and it included the wing... wouldn't the wing hit the top?

EVO, STI, & all those high spoiler sports car w trunk don't hit the window, I'm pretty sure it'll be fine

Ryephile · 10-21-2011, 04:21 PM

Boo Hiss!

I understand what the practicality-be-damned people are saying. Having a little tiny trunk opening is good for rigidity and lower weight, but now that Toyota/Subaru have chosen to throw practicality out the window, they're going to pull a miracle out the hat in terms of rear-seat ingress to fit a set of tires in there.

If the car doesn't have a huge aperture when the rear seats are folded down, I'm afraid the car might be too impractical.

Practical = 4 tires in the rear seat/trunk area.

SUB-FT86 · 10-21-2011, 04:32 PM

That sucks but the other car that I possibly want have the same kind of trunk.

View Poll Results: Which do you want?
Toyota/Scion with a Trunk	29	19.86%
Toyota/Scion with a Hatch	79	54.11%
Subaru with a Trunk	9	6.16%
Subaru with a Hatch	29	19.86%
Voters: 146. You may not vote on this poll

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Ryephile Hot Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: quicker than arghx7 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,316 Thanks: 103 Thanked 173 Times in 83 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Boo Hiss! I understand what the practicality-be-damned people are saying. Having a little tiny trunk opening is good for rigidity and lower weight, but now that Toyota/Subaru have chosen to throw practicality out the window, they're going to pull a miracle out the hat in terms of rear-seat ingress to fit a set of tires in there. If the car doesn't have a huge aperture when the rear seats are folded down, I'm afraid the car might be too impractical. Practical = 4 tires in the rear seat/trunk area. __________________ "Wisdom is a not a function of age, but a function of experience." Just Say No to unqualified aftermarket products.

09-21-2011, 11:19 AM	#198
pastuch Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: 2013 BRZ Location: Ottawa Ontario Posts: 478 Thanks: 15 Thanked 36 Times in 25 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	If the rear seats don't fold down I can't buy one. Need to put skis in this bad boy. Based on the mannequin drawings in another thread we figure the distance from the back of the drivers seat (with a 6' driver) to the back of the trunk is 70 inches. If I put my skis on a diagonal I could even fit my 180 Touring skis!

09-21-2011, 11:59 AM	#199
dominican Lude Dude Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: 1998 Honda Prelude Location: New York Posts: 97 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This thing really needs to be a hatchback, or a fastback, whatever you want to call it. The whole thing should lift up, back glass and all, in order to make this as useful a car as possible. As it has been mentioned before, the Scion TC has a hatch, so I don't know why this wouldn't. Hatches make life so much easier for a 2 door car owner...

09-21-2011, 01:46 PM	#200
Andy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Drives: Toyota Location: Sherwood Forest - UK Posts: 102 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'll take whichever has the least body flex thanks! Done.

09-21-2011, 02:34 PM	#201
Marrk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Drives: Honda Fit Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 722 Thanked 125 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	^^ +1.

10-21-2011, 04:32 PM	#210
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