KERS Hybrid FR-S High Performance Model Reportedly in Development! - Page 5 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Turbowned · 11-11-2012, 10:31 AM

It makes no difference to me whether they do it or not, so long as they don't offer it strictly as a hybrid. It would be a great move forward for Toyota to do such a thing, as there are no real hybrid sports cars out right now (CR-Z? Please...). That said I have no interest in one unless they can somehow keep the weight way down and increase power significantly... probably not gonna happen.

bunny86 · 11-11-2012, 10:48 AM

Just looking around it seems that every car manufacturer is working on a KERS system for the road.

Infernal · 11-11-2012, 11:10 AM

im not sure if this is a thing... but could you theoretically store the energy from the brakes in a battery, and use the battery to power a supercharger via an electric motor?

Wes B. · 11-12-2012, 06:23 PM

Tetsuya Tada (Toyota GT-86 / Scion FR-S chief engineer) has said that a turbo'd FR-S/GT86/BRZ would be "untasteful". Instead, he prefers a hybrid power system, similar to the one Toyota uses in F1, which stores electricity from regenerative braking into capacitors, then bolts it out on acceleration.

What are everyone's thoughts on such a system? Do you prefer it over traditional forced induction?

Source: http://sciclonic.com/2012/11/rx-for-...-a-hybrid-not/

RaceR · 11-12-2012, 06:40 PM

How dafaq would I know if weather i prefer the system used in racecars. Never tried it, and who here would have first hand knowledge of what may or may not pop into a hybrid 86?

But I sure welcome it. If 300 turbo horses are tasteless. Than I would like to see what they come up with!

But I think this thread is better for this discussion.

Looker_007 · 12-20-2012, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcasso87

Im more of a purist so this is what i think of hybrids:

But you voted for Bush too who permitted the sale of assault wepons again.

Looker_007 · 12-20-2012, 08:04 PM

It would be awesome to get a Kers system as an option. My Firestorm FRS AT would really love it to dust off a couple of WRXs.

track_warrior · 12-20-2012, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Looker_007

But you voted for Bush too who permitted the sale of assault wepons again.

Huh? I have only been living in the US for 4 years now so i could have not possibly voted for him, specially because i am a Mexican Citizen

.

RyleyMA61 · 12-20-2012, 08:54 PM

Yeah, short-term the KERS tech is going to be too costly to implement on the 86. Part of the "86 mantra" was it's simplicity and low cost, and I doubt we will have significant enough advancements in the KERS technology to make it economically viable for the 86.

I agree it will probably arrive on the Supra replacement, which isn't as price-focused and more "GT-R hunter" focused.

I also prefer the smell of burnt fuel and the roar of a wicked inline 6 or quad cam V8. I like high-revving N/A screamers, as well as the rush from a crazy FI engine and the insta-torque from a big capacity engine.

However, the sports car passion must be kept alive and ignoring new technologies and developments is the quickest way to the grave. Look at Australia's auto industry. We were happy supplying to our own market for years and now they're not a global player and will be dead by 2020. Tis a shame, because there is a lot of talent here.

Bottom line is:

A lot of kinetic energy is lost in braking (transferred into heat energy).

There is big potential here. Whether it be KERS or some other form of system, the advancements in efficiency (not fuel efficiency) will lead to some awesome cars.

Porsche generally do eveything pretty right, so if they're smashing out a hybrid with the exhausts pointing at the sky, I will listen.

I'm hanging out for the hydrogen-powered rotary Mazda are playing with. That sounds interesting.

alan.chalkley · 01-09-2013, 02:13 AM

The new mazda 6 is fitted with a basic kers , so surely toyota/subaru can improve on this.

FT86Dubai · 01-09-2013, 02:22 AM

It can be made for a Lexus version of the FT86. The cost can then be justified.

Wes B. · 01-09-2013, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FT86Dubai

It can be made for a Lexus version of the FT86. The cost can then be justified.

Eh, it depends on the overall cost. I know that I wouldn't be lining up to drop $75k+ for a Lexified FT86/BRZ with the KERS system.

FT86Dubai · 01-10-2013, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes B.

Eh, it depends on the overall cost. I know that I wouldn't be lining up to drop $75k+ for a Lexified FT86/BRZ with the KERS system.

If it was done, I think they will price it between the 50k range and compete directly with the Porsche Cayman.

11-11-2012, 11:10 AM	#59
Infernal NO FI?! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ Join Date: Feb 2010 Drives: BMW e92 330D Location: Cheshire, England Posts: 362 Thanks: 34 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	im not sure if this is a thing... but could you theoretically store the energy from the brakes in a battery, and use the battery to power a supercharger via an electric motor? __________________

11-12-2012, 06:23 PM	#60
Wes B. Automotive Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: United States Posts: 458 Thanks: 166 Thanked 125 Times in 87 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) in an FR-S: Thoughts? Tetsuya Tada (Toyota GT-86 / Scion FR-S chief engineer) has said that a turbo'd FR-S/GT86/BRZ would be "untasteful". Instead, he prefers a hybrid power system, similar to the one Toyota uses in F1, which stores electricity from regenerative braking into capacitors, then bolts it out on acceleration. What are everyone's thoughts on such a system? Do you prefer it over traditional forced induction? Source: http://sciclonic.com/2012/11/rx-for-...-a-hybrid-not/

12-20-2012, 08:54 PM	#65
RyleyMA61 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: '84 MA61 Supra, '88 Mercedes 500SEC Location: Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Posts: 112 Thanks: 17 Thanked 30 Times in 27 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yeah, short-term the KERS tech is going to be too costly to implement on the 86. Part of the "86 mantra" was it's simplicity and low cost, and I doubt we will have significant enough advancements in the KERS technology to make it economically viable for the 86. I agree it will probably arrive on the Supra replacement, which isn't as price-focused and more "GT-R hunter" focused. I also prefer the smell of burnt fuel and the roar of a wicked inline 6 or quad cam V8. I like high-revving N/A screamers, as well as the rush from a crazy FI engine and the insta-torque from a big capacity engine. However, the sports car passion must be kept alive and ignoring new technologies and developments is the quickest way to the grave. Look at Australia's auto industry. We were happy supplying to our own market for years and now they're not a global player and will be dead by 2020. Tis a shame, because there is a lot of talent here. Bottom line is: A lot of kinetic energy is lost in braking (transferred into heat energy). There is big potential here. Whether it be KERS or some other form of system, the advancements in efficiency (not fuel efficiency) will lead to some awesome cars. Porsche generally do eveything pretty right, so if they're smashing out a hybrid with the exhausts pointing at the sky, I will listen. I'm hanging out for the hydrogen-powered rotary Mazda are playing with. That sounds interesting. __________________ - 1988 Mercedes-Benz 500SEC - 200kW Euro Luxury - 1984 7MA61 Supra - 300kW/600Nm - 1983 JZA61 Supra - 2JZ screamer - Sold :'( - 2012 ZN6 86 GTS - Hopefully coming in 2012...

01-09-2013, 02:22 AM	#67
FT86Dubai Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 Location: UAE-Dubai Posts: 168 Thanks: 41 Thanked 26 Times in 19 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It can be made for a Lexus version of the FT86. The cost can then be justified. __________________ 2013 Toyota 86 (Sold it and regretting)

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bunny86 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: Starlet Location: UK Posts: 122 Thanks: 29 Thanked 24 Times in 18 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Just looking around it seems that every car manufacturer is working on a KERS system for the road.

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RaceR Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2010 Cooper S, 74 Beetle Location: Norway Posts: 726 Thanks: 239 Thanked 252 Times in 124 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	How dafaq would I know if weather i prefer the system used in racecars. Never tried it, and who here would have first hand knowledge of what may or may not pop into a hybrid 86? But I sure welcome it. If 300 turbo horses are tasteless. Than I would like to see what they come up with! But I think this thread is better for this discussion.

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Looker_007 Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: Firstorm A/T Location: Near Montreal Posts: 21 Thanks: 9 Thanked 16 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It would be awesome to get a Kers system as an option. My Firestorm FRS AT would really love it to dust off a couple of WRXs.

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alan.chalkley Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 4wd zooks Location: Sydney / Australia Posts: 495 Thanks: 135 Thanked 167 Times in 108 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The new mazda 6 is fitted with a basic kers , so surely toyota/subaru can improve on this.

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