frustrated with the scion FRS/BRZ

[whaap]

Originally Posted by Huss

I am buying their car I don't have to kiss their asses to get the car.

Or perhaps you could say they're selling a car that people would line up to get so they don't have to kiss your ass to sell it. See how it's a two way street?

[norm24]

Originally Posted by Huss

Wow you guys need to re read what I wrote.

When I walked into the dealership the guy didn't even bother to even explain the car. The whole time he was in his office while I am in te showroom looking around the car. I also should say that I put down 5k when I picked up my civic so at least I expect to get some of it back.

Looks like this whole forum is full with people who are either car sales Men or work at a dealership lol.


My buddy traded in his 07 Si with more miles than mine for 17500$ do I expect that my car is two years newer and has less miles would at least get me close to what they offered him.


I am buying their car I don't have to kiss their asses to get the car. The ball is in my field now.

Ya selling a car worth more than 14k online can be a pita but would rather do that than take a lowball from the dealership.


Why so you expect me to do when he just told me that he can't do anything and I am just waisting his time?

After a few reaserched on my local forum looks like almost everyone who wanted up buy a Subaru or bought one from that dealership got screwed up.

Regardless of what you put down when you picked up your Civic, the value of the car will not change. Heck some people who put money down on a MY10,11,12 (whatever car) and decide to trade it in for the FR-S/BRZ even end up with negative equity. That 5K you put down already went to depreciation, taxes and what not. The only way you'll get that back is if you hang on to that Civic longer (value of the car > what you owe).

It doesn't take a salesman to understand these concepts, really.

Oh and that friend of yours who traded his 07 Si... Did he trade it in for the FR-S/BRZ? Was that trade done this year? Is it the same dealership you're trying to trade your Si to? Do realize that trading a car in works both ways. If there's wiggle room in the price of the new car, they'll take that off and add it to their offer for your trade BUT you don't get the discount on the new car. OR the dealer will offer a low price for the new car but give you a low trade in allowance as well. Very simple. Unfortunately for you, you want a car where there's not much wiggle room on the price.

Let's say that Si was traded in this year. $17,500 for trade in, plus at least 2K dealer mark up, and a little bit of haggling room gives us an '07 Civic Si for an asking price of over $20,000. I, for one, will just look at the next car on list on the classifieds. Your buddy probably traded his car in for a '12 Civic/'12 Lexus IS/'12 Accord or whatever car that is getting a complete overhaul for the next model year.

Makes sense? Or am I completely off to lunch?

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Huss

I am buying their car I don't have to kiss their asses to get the car. The ball is in my field now.

Why so you expect me to do when he just told me that he can't do anything and I am just waisting his time?

Most dealerships are working with waiting lists of at least a few people, some are still over 30 people in line to get these cars.

If you walk into any typical dealership and put down a deposit for a BRZ you're looking at about March or April 2013 for delivery because of the waiting lists.

Why would any dealership want to take a loss on a sale when the cars are in such high demand still? Even if they don't sell to you, they'll take deposits on another dozen cars before orders placed now are even delivered, so really the ball is 100% in their court.

Until cars are sitting unsold on dealership lots, or supply is greater than demand you won't really get a deal at all on them. To be honest, I'm shocked they aren't selling for $5k over list right now like most other in demand cars do.

[Huss]

I will just pay it off then not woth it to me.

Thanks guys!

[7thgear]

a car is a luxury, treat it as such

it is also not an investment, ever, and one of the worst ways to maintain equity

unless it's a 1990 corolla, 500 dollars now will be 500 dollars in a year so long as it runs XD XD XD

[Khánh]

Originally Posted by Huss

Ok i really am very frustrated how the dealers in my town are treating potential buyers for the FRS/BRZ. walked in into a couple of them and they offer black book value for my car as soon as i start arguing about that this isn't exactly what my car is worth to me they tell me oh we cant do anything about it and have a nice day. very shitty attitude that makes me not want to buy this car, i mean i understand the hype about this car by why dealers are acting up so much about it. i was really offended today by my local subaru dealer on how rude and ignorant he was about the whole situation can i write to subaru of north america or toyota to them?

i live in canada btw.

they really don't give a deuce what it's worth to you haha it's about what it is worth to them. welcome to the real world

[mankarn86]

You should be able to sell a 2010 civic si easily...

[FT86FRS]

Considering a brand new SI on MSRP is only $25999.00, roughly $28k'ish after everything. It's not a bad trade in price for a 3 year old car. My local dealer allow me to do a consignment for the vehicle which they sell it on my behalf and taking 10% commission off the selling price (close to private sale pricing) but they would offer me that they'll waive that commission if i'm going to use the money as a down payment for one of their vehicles. If you dont want to spend time selling it privately and want a higher price, try working with some terms with the dealership.

[TheronL]

I'd say sell your Civic privately. An Si will sell. If it has modifications, consider posting some classifieds on a local Civic forum. 9 times out of 10 the dealership will low-ball you on the value of your vehicle. As everyone else has said, getting BB you should be surprised with.

With the demand the FRS/BRZ are in, I'm surprised dealers are even offering the option of trade-ins, given that they know the vehicles will sell, they will profit, and they wouldn't have to worry about selling used vehicles.

Just my opinion.

[Huss]

Yup doing mods now and will try and re sell around July maybe it will attract more attention....must own a brz lol

[chenshuo]

Originally Posted by Huss

Yup doing mods now and will try and re sell around July maybe it will attract more attention....must own a brz lol

if you want to sell it why are you doing mods? you're just wasting your money you won't get to sell at a higher price.

[truenosan]

Originally Posted by chenshuo

if you want to sell it why are you doing mods? you're just wasting your money you won't get to sell at a higher price.

He just nailed it on that one. You need to get your priorities straight. If you want a BRZ, which it seems like you really do, stop modding your current car. I can guarantee it will not increase its value.

[pheoxs]

Part out the si back to stock then trade it in or sell it privately.

[Skurj]

The dealer I ordered my FRS from asked if my trade was AT or MT, as soon as I said MT they said they didn't want it... 2009 Yaris 2dr hb. They didn't ask anything else about the car. That's fine I'll put it on kijiji soon as I get a confirm that my FRS will be delivered on time.