Hella Fail

[OmarGC]

Originally Posted by Gixxersixxerman

I love the look.. But don't understand the stance and big camber thing.. And as far as the 86 in the post above..



A 1/3 of the tire is being used.. I don't see performance any where

Its only bad because he's burning them up sliding. If you're running 3 degrees of negative camber and go burn em up you're going to see similar results.

Have you ever seen the aftermath of the average f1 or NASCAR tire?



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[xwd]

No, you will not see that. That's from running way too much camber. If you are drifting and don't really care about the car having grip, sure. You generally use a pyrometer and other technical calculations to dial in the correct amount of camber. That guy is using -6 degrees so he can tuck the tires under the fender, not for performance reasons.

[Shit Luck]

i have been working on race cars most of my life and if a tire came back looking like that we would promply replace the broken suspension parts....

[OmarGC]

Less then 4 degrees, just not as shredded down



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[Shit Luck]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

Less then 4 degrees, just not as shredded down



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and again its clearly improper setup as the wear pattern indicates too much camber in that setup...

[OmarGC]

Originally Posted by Shit Luck

and again its clearly improper setup as the wear pattern indicates too much camber in that setup...

That's like arguing if you run within factory specs let's say -1.7 degrees of camber at 0 toe and do 75% highway driving on a daily basis and see an autox once or twice a year on a 200 tread wear tire, pull off your wheels and notice after let's say 12.5k miles the inside of your tires are excessively worn. The 2 pics above are from guys drifting. You're going to prematurely wear the tires, excessively. Its a given... Just because its not a persons cup a tea in motorsports doesn't make it wrong.

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[Gixxersixxerman]

I'm a big NASCAR fan.. And sometimes you'll see a tire fail because of camber setup.. 90% of the time it's setup to have the whole tire wear as even as possible it looks like.. And makes since.. If in the corners -6* of camber makes that tire flat to the ground then that's what they set it at.. The tire wears more in the corners on those tracks then down the straight.. Even at -4* t
Like that other picture.. Where is the maximum amount of traction.. It looks like they set it up like that because it won't give much traction and slide easier.. Idk nothing about drifting.. What I do know even if I was racing, I'd want the most tire wear and most traction I could.. Wearing out the inside of my tire, because it looks cool to stance, is all about a look.. I don't see the performance in handling at -6* of camber in the rear..

[xwd]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

That's like arguing if you run within factory specs let's say -1.7 degrees of camber at 0 toe and do 75% highway driving on a daily basis and see an autox once or twice a year on a 200 tread wear tire, pull off your wheels and notice after let's say 12.5k miles the inside of your tires are excessively worn. The 2 pics above are from guys drifting. You're going to prematurely wear the tires, excessively. Its a given... Just because its not a persons cup a tea in motorsports doesn't make it wrong.

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With 1.75 degrees of negative camber and 0 toe on a 200 wear tire you won't really see excessive wear, been there done that.

I mentioned drifting before, that's a completely different scenario. If you want to run 4-6 degrees of camber so you actually lose grip, have at it. I can run -6 degrees and do burnouts in a parking lot and get the same effect. If you run that on the street though, it's for looks and has no performance benefit, and could potentially be dangerous.

[Lonewolf]

I still remember when I got flamed for saying that hella flush was the dumbest crap ever...looks like many on this site now see it for what it is...

[Gixxersixxerman]

Originally Posted by dwx

With 1.75 degrees of negative camber and 0 toe on a 200 wear tire you won't really see excessive wear, been there done that.

I mentioned drifting before, that's a completely different scenario. If you want to run 4-6 degrees of camber so you actually lose grip, have at it. I can run -6 degrees and do burnouts in a parking lot and get the same effect. If you run that on the street though, it's for looks and has no performance benefit, and could potentially be dangerous.

I think that's what most are saying.. If its setup for the track and for some reason 6 degree of camber works for your setup then it's fine.. But having 6+ and so low that frame, subframe, hard parts are dragging.. Then that's plain stupid.. I dragged blocks on my Tahoe.. But that's because I dumped the bags, and it was on purpose..

Also the fastest street tired Twin around streets of willow is running about 3 in the front and 2.1 in the rear.. No where close to 6

[SubieNate]

When tracking, camber should be set to maximize grip. Maximum grip comes when the entire contact patch of the tire is being used as equally as possible. This also makes wear consistent across the entire tire. In fact, wear patterns are often used to tweak camber settings one way or the other, depending on if the tire is wearing too much on the outside (too little camber, contact patch is lifting on the inside and rolling over on the outside, causing excessive wear on the outside and little on the inside) or too much on the inside (Too much camber causes the outside of the tire to never see any serious load, overusing the inside and causing wear like the photos in this thread.)

Even in drifting the tire should be setup to wear evenly, as this will extend the amount of time before the tire gives up the ghost and also yields the most predictable handling.

There are ways to be very low and very functional, i.e. @robispec's car. But it takes serious effort to correct camber curves, ensure proper suspension travel and clearance, and precautions to prevent structural damage to the car in the case of road debris or imperfections. Stancing for the sake of stancing with complete disregard for function will always, 100% of the time, yield a car that is less safe than stock. Tires that are stretched beyond their limit will always be dangerous.

One of the biggest problems I see with super stretched low profile tires is hitting an unexpectedly large pothole or other road imperfection. On a normal setup, the sidewall of the tire is even with or slightly protruding from the rim of the wheel. When suddenly compressed, there is no way for the rim to come in contact with the ground. With aggressive stretch, that same impact could cause the rim to come in direct contact with the ground, damaging the wheel and sending a jolt through the suspension that could cause very not nice things to happen.

Nathan

[Shit Luck]

i love that people think drifting is about a creating a lack of traction at the tires contact point.
most drift setups are basically the same as an aggressive auto-x setup or very close. infact tractional (made that up i think) consistancy is very key to drifting, a jacked up camber setup like those posted would make a drift car a very inconsistant and difficult car to drive at a high level.

those tires look more like stance meets redneck drifter(sweet burnouts in a parking lot)....

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

You guys are going to hate my car when I get back from my 6 month vacation... and my car will be at the track gripping more then the majority of folks across these boards.

I'm curious what you're going to do. Please elaborate!

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Gixxersixxerman

Also the fastest street tired Twin around streets of willow is running about 3 in the front and 2.1 in the rear.. No where close to 6

For the record, that car needs more camber

Not a whole lot more, just a tad. Maybe half a degree or so on the "more loaded" side.