Hella Fail

[uspspro]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

I have no problem with guys rolling 4-6 degrees of negative camber

If someone is running 6 degrees of neg camber and stretching a tire, just to fit a certain set of wheels on their car... then that's f'ing stupid IMHO. If they are running an alignment because that's what works well for the car, then that's cool.

Wouldn't you rather have optimal performance, in every condition? Not just the track, but things like control over bumpy/uneven surfaces, stability, good road feel, etc...

Seems like 4-6 degrees of negative camber will feel less stable and have less contact patch under braking and acceleration.

[bpracer]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

You guys are going to hate my car when I get back from my 6 month vacation... and my car will be at the track gripping more then the majority of folks across these boards.
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All in all if you don't track a car as much as you say you do, you shouldn't be giving guys that "stance" their cars shit.

Hmmm... been racing this car for 16 years... so maybe I will give some shit...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/dto_g...ehicle_id=1563

[OmarGC]

Originally Posted by bpracer

Hmmm... been racing this car for 16 years... so maybe I will give some shit...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/dto_g...ehicle_id=1563

Like I said, majority.

[OmarGC]

Originally Posted by uspspro

If someone is running 6 degrees of neg camber and stretching a tire, just to fit a certain set of wheels on their car... then that's f'ing stupid IMHO. If they are running an alignment because that's what works well for the car, then that's cool.

Wouldn't you rather have optimal performance, in every condition? Not just the track, but things like control over bumpy/uneven surfaces, stability, good road feel, etc...

Seems like 4-6 degrees of negative camber will feel less stable and have less contact patch under braking and acceleration.

Depends all on what you do... I personally don't run that amount of camber but I will be at -3 or close to daily... and more then -3 up front at least during the track events I do attend. You're not gonna have 1 optimal alignment for every type of events or even course layout of the same sort of event that's why most of us end up having adjustable suspension components.


-6 +/- a little bit:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24694

[Foobar]

I have no problem with lowered cars, stretched but functional tires, big camber adjustments, but there's a safe way to do that and then there's the ghetto way of doing it. The ghetto way of doing it can get you and others killed on the streets. That's no bueno.

[xwd]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24694

Yeah that car is dumb and is what this thread is about.

[OmarGC]

Originally Posted by dwx

Yeah that car is dumb and is what this thread is about.

Must be an iwsti/nasioc king.

[mike2100]

Don't need any track time to know stancing is stupid

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by dwx

Yeah that car is dumb and is what this thread is about.

Yet that car will see more track time and aggressive driving than your car ever will.

There's a fine line. I love stanced cars but not ones that stick wheels on just to say they did it. A decent amount of camber, and a little stretch goes a long way.

I think a 9.5 +30-44mm is perfect on our cars. Enough aggressiveness without destroying fenders, tires, etc.

[gmookher]

Originally Posted by mike2100

Don't need any track time to know stancing is stupid

dont try and make too much sense, its not gonna work...

[hypermax]

Originally Posted by d1ck

Looks to me like he hit an expansion joint in the road as well, which is probably what upset the car.

More likely, it had a little bounce from the road then lost control, of course the setup from the car assisted this accident to happened big time.

[hypermax]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

You guys are going to hate my car when I get back from my 6 month vacation... and my car will be at the track gripping more then the majority of folks across these boards.

I have to say my favorite kind of people are the ones that throw so much hate towards someones car for being flush blah blah blah... IBruinedsuspensiongeometry, etc... Buy suspension components for their car based of reading what they hear was functional on the internet THEN never track or use the car for what the upgrades were intended for. You might as well be hard parking like the fucks that take it to another level in which you call "hellafail". There's a lot of these type of guys in the Subaru/Evo community, and there's probably even more here.

All in all if you don't track a car as much as you say you do, you shouldn't be giving guys that "stance" their cars shit.

I am 200% agree with you, just hard parking and do no track with the car, then arguing and getting expensive racing heritage coilovers. My personal preference just get cheap shiits and make the car so low and call it a day. In the end of the day, they make their cars so low that the car wouldn't have any suspension travel, what is the point to get racing coils for. Just get a solid one piece bar and install on the car that will make more sense.

[hypermax]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

Yet that car will see more track time and aggressive driving than your car ever will.

There's a fine line. I love stanced cars but not ones that stick wheels on just to say they did it. A decent amount of camber, and a little stretch goes a long way.

I think a 9.5 +30-44mm is perfect on our cars. Enough aggressiveness without destroying fenders, tires, etc.

Correct. Just went a FRS/BRZ meet 2 weeks ago, and I saw a lowed FRS on 8.75 +35mm all around, with 235/35/18 or 225/40/18 tires (they are between these 2 sizes, so too many tire sizes in one night, got messed up), and he was able to retained the stock camber setup on the car, and looks much better, "hellafuntional" I gave him that.

[Gixxersixxerman]

I don't see how that much camber is for performance.. I'm not a chassis or suspension guy, but I understand what a couple degrees of camber is used for.. I DON'T understand stretch ... At all... i guess I come from a time when tires needed to be fatter then the rim.. I don't get the fat rim and narrow tire.. Get a tire that fits the rim.. Or if the tire you have to get to fit the car.. Then get the proper size rim to fit.. I love a car that sits low.. The lower the better as far as looks go.. I come from big bodied SUV's on bags with the rockers on the ground.. I love the look.. But don't understand the stance and big camber thing.. And as far as the 86 in the post above..



A 1/3 of the tire is being used.. I don't see performance any where