My First Mistake

[Walla Walla]

yep, you changed or adapted your story, wich is an insurance fraud... the sad thing though, is that you were still covered if you told the truth, because your cause of loss is the same in your thrue story and your fake one (it's a loss of control)

except if they had discovered it, you would have a bit of trouble (nothing harsh, but still more question, verification)

learn your lesson, don't do stupid things on the road... and your real penalty will be your car damages... even if it looks brand new, in a few years, when rust will come out of those repairs, and when the paint wont shine the same in that area than the rest of the car, you will remember that you stupidly broke a new car....

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by slizoth

About a month ago I made my first mistake with the BRZ. I was with a friend who just moved back into town (from the East Coast) and had never ridden in a BRZ before but we both followed the car fanatically for years. Knowing he would appreciate it we went for a drive and to have a bit of fun...

The drive went well and we were at the tail end of an hour long journey when I pulled up to my favorite spot to do burn outs. I like this spot because it's a low traffic T intersection with a wide berth and no obstacles. I pulled up along the vertical axis of the T, came to a complete stop and turned the traction control off.

As you can imagine, things didn't go as expected. The conditions were saturated (very rainy) and I kept my foot on the gas a bit too long. The car came to an abrubt stop shortly after sliding off the road. I didn't really think much of it, I got out and checked for damages and didn't see any. I realized later I was wrong, there was some damage to the underbody and I had to call my insurance. Wah-wahhhh

TL : DR Took a corner too hard after a stop sign with my traction control off and heavy rain, ended up sliding off the road. $2,500 in damages, all repair work has been completed and the car is new and beautiful again.

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PosteriQuote. Someone notify his carrier.

[slizoth]

Originally Posted by kludger

Yeah a bit harsh, and personally I'm glad you shared your experience with traction control off.

Most of us who bought the twins are likely to try and push the limits of traction, it's part of why we bought it in the first place instead of a Camry... and especially in the rain where you can get the limits of traction without having to do high speeds.

Anyhow I've enjoyed driving in the rain with sport mode on, and now I know not to go all the way to traction control off, so thanks for sharing so many of us can learn from your experience.

Im glad some good has come out of this, this is why I posted. I also posted because I feel its important to take responsibility for your actions even if your given an opportunity to cover up something you're not proud of. I look through this thread and these photos to remind myself of what can happen when reckless and when you're careful.

P.S. Why would I burnout in a BRZ? This location has been my preferred spot to practice bad behavior since I got my license. My train of thought has been if you're driving a nice car people, friends, ect, are going to ask you to do stupid stuff; I wanted to be prepared so I practiced here. I had no practice with the BRZ when this situation came about and I suffered for it. I look forward to taking a track day class and improve my driving ability.

[dori.]

at least he's been honest about it here lol.

so what have we leared Aesop?
a) don't drive on the street with TC off in the wet
b) do that silly stuff in an empty parking lot
c) take it to the track/auto x/hpde
d) tell the truth and don't commit insurance fraud

[rhoyle]

If you're driving a "nice" car, who gives a rats ass what people ask you to do? The old "would you jump off a bridge..." seems appropriate here. Show some maturity and stop practicing "bad behavior." I've owned a 'who's who' of sports cars over the past 15 years, including Porsche, Audi, Nissan, and Acura. Tons of people would rev their engines next to me at stoplights. Know how many of them I raced? Zero. Take it to the track.

It's great that you're proud of your BRZ, man, but seriously - show some respect for it, for yourself, and for anyone else who may be on the road. There is a time and a place.

[Rayme]

Originally Posted by michaelahess

And falsifying an insurance claim, yeah, honorable guy right there.

His fault for being an idiot, but he makes us all pay by claiming it.

Not harsh, just the truth.

Common sense isn't learned...

Well, technically all claims relation to the COLLISION clause is the driver's fault.

Bad driver / idiot moves is all the same.

[MTCRX]

Originally Posted by slizoth

Im glad some good has come out of this, this is why I posted. I also posted because I feel its important to take responsibility for your actions even if your given an opportunity to cover up something you're not proud of. I look through this thread and these photos to remind myself of what can happen when reckless and when you're careful.

P.S. Why would I burnout in a BRZ? This location has been my preferred spot to practice bad behavior since I got my license. My train of thought has been if you're driving a nice car people, friends, ect, are going to ask you to do stupid stuff; I wanted to be prepared so I practiced here. I had no practice with the BRZ when this situation came about and I suffered for it. I look forward to taking a track day class and improve my driving ability.

Not to bee too harsh, but I don't really see how having the insurance company cover the damage for something stupid you did is really learning a lesson. A lesson would be if you paid for it all out of pocket and gave up something else in order to do this, a hardship. Insurance is not an extra bank account to fix things like this. It is meant to get a broken car back on the road and to cover liability costs in a REAL accident. Add up what you have paid to the insurance company so far for this car minus managing expenses, including paying the agent to file a claim. At this early stage I bet you haven't paid in the $2500 repair cost, so your insurance account is a loss for the company that will have to be made up by them elsewhere (others pockets). So don't abuse insurance, it is there for the really bad stuff, not scratches and dents. A be more careful next time. Join a racing, autocross, drift club and do these things the right way in a controlled environment.

[pheoxs]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Edit your post to say OFF...you want to drive with TCS ON.

That's what he's saying ... don't drive with it off ...?

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by pheoxs

That's what he's saying ... don't drive with it off ...?

It said "on" when I quoted it, but I edited my quote to say off. He went back and edited it within the timeframe where it doesn't leave an edit note (ninja edit).

[pheoxs]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

It said "on" when I quoted it, but I edited my quote to say off. He went back and edited it within the timeframe where it doesn't leave an edit note (ninja edit).

Ah, makes sense. I was scratching my head

[Rayme]

Originally Posted by MTCRX

Not to bee too harsh, but I don't really see how having the insurance company cover the damage for something stupid you did is really learning a lesson. A lesson would be if you paid for it all out of pocket and gave up something else in order to do this, a hardship. Insurance is not an extra bank account to fix things like this. It is meant to get a broken car back on the road and to cover liability costs in a REAL accident. Add up what you have paid to the insurance company so far for this car minus managing expenses, including paying the agent to file a claim. At this early stage I bet you haven't paid in the $2500 repair cost, so your insurance account is a loss for the company that will have to be made up by them elsewhere (others pockets). So don't abuse insurance, it is there for the really bad stuff, not scratches and dents. A be more careful next time. Join a racing, autocross, drift club and do these things the right way in a controlled environment.

He's going to pay in the future because rate will go up. It doesn't matter how you slice it, if he has collision coverage they have to cover it.

Do you know how many time people go off the roads in snowy condition/aqua planning, and have to get their insurance to cover the damage? Should have they been there in the first place? Going too fast? Careless? The lines between accident and stupidity can sometime be thin. And what is a REAL accident? There is always 1 driver's who's at fault for lack of attention/careless driving...he's lucky he was the only one involved.

[chanomatik]

I guess I can see how one can lose control of these cars with all of the nannies off...

I drive around in the snow and ice switching between all of the settings. Some work better than others. Snowy incline and stoplight-starts are easier with TC off. At speed, turning a wide, gradual corner seems easier with VSC Sport activated. On the highway, all of the nannies are on since I'm going fast and straight.

Right now it is icy and slick as snot, so I've kept all of the nannies on. I've gone out and had some fun in open parking lots with other Subies. You REALLY have to be hooning to have something go terribly wrong with these cars. Even when there's a little slippage, I can instantly tell and adjust according because this car communicates SO well. All of my other AWD performance Subarus were vague.

So, in my opinion, if you're going to go buckwild, start slow, then work up to Drift King.

[RRnold]

Damn!! If you were following this car so much, how did you miss this video?!

I want to feel sorry for you but I honestly can't. You should have went to a large empty parking lot if you wanted to fuck around.

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[djdnz]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

That was really dumb. Really, really dumb. What on Earth possessed you to do that?

I have to say that I am just so glad we have so many moms patroling the forums.The guy made a mistake, he didn't have to come on here and tell you he felt stupid but figured maybe someone could learn from his mistake.

I guess as most have already pointed out, leave the T/C on or at the very least keep it limited to Sport mode when out and about. I've found this car is pretty dicey in the rain on the stock tires.