My IS300 and a skyline...

[bestwheelbase]

Customized to your liking, looks like it has made lots of memories, good on ya!

PS We wanted to see more of this guy's BRZ journal but it got locked because of bickering. Got locked because of bickering. Get it?

[Exhaust]

Originally Posted by ill roller

Specs on what? The wheels, engine, whole car?



I'm unsure of what you want explained or why it would be disrespectful.

Why the poke? function or form?

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

And sleepers don't affect you until that B5 A4 Avant with stock wheels, faded 12 year old paint, sandblasted headlights and a 1.8T badge freight trains you into giving up a point by and pulls away from you through the next corner because under that rat trap body is days worth of corner balancing, shock adjusting, and sway tuning and a set of R6s. Sleeper'd.

Whoa... you sure know how to talk to a guy. mmmmmmm shock adjusting, sway tuning and R6's...

[ill roller]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. Stop swearing on the internet. And don't be so defensive. It makes you look about 17.

And sleepers don't affect you until that B5 A4 Avant with stock wheels, faded 12 year old paint, sandblasted headlights and a 1.8T badge freight trains you into giving up a point by and pulls away from you through the next corner because under that rat trap body is days worth of corner balancing, shock adjusting, and sway tuning and a set of R6s. Sleeper'd.

I swear in real life, I feel no need to censor myself for people I don't know, and I'm not defensive, I just tire of stupid people spouting nonsense.

What the hell is a point by and how does one get trained into giving one up? And yeah, you definitely sound like a tard, days worth of corner balancing, shock adjusting, and "sway tuning"? hahahaha

Keep dreaming buddy. Still boasting about how bad you'd beat me in some imaginary sneak attack race that you have planned in your head... What a child.

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

Customized to your liking, looks like it has made lots of memories, good on ya!

PS We wanted to see more of this guy's BRZ journal but it got locked because of bickering. Got locked because of bickering. Get it?

I started a new build thread that's still open... If only these road and track reading benchmark racers wouldn't keep coming in and trying to tell me that my drift cars aren't going to be winning any time attacks anytime soon.

Originally Posted by Exhaust

Why the poke? function or form?

I wanted to run 215's or 225's for drifting purposes, and wanted the wheels to have as much lip as possible... This was the end result.

[ill roller]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

You say you've done 8-10 HPDEs and you don't know what a point by is?

And yes, sway tuning. Say you dial back high speed compression in the back of the car, but bump up the low speed compression. You're trying to make the car more stable over curbing. However, as a side effect, you develop a push in high speed sweepers but you're perfectly happy with the way the car reacts to using the curbs. What do you do? Oh, right, you bump your rear sway bar up a hole to see if that works first, and whether or not that will reverse your shock adjustment.

But keep calling me a tard and a child. Please. You're a beacon of maturity.

Never once said I did an HPDE, don't even know what an HPDE is... Said I've done 8-10 trackdays a year.

And yes, rotate the mu curve and achieve ideal ackerman, then blahblahblah... I don't care about your benchracing. Most professional drift cars run no rear sway bar. So once again, why do you keep spouting all this nonsense?

[zenki_levin]

When i saw this thread yesterday i knew it would turn to shit really quickly.

[ill roller]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

What you mean to say is you don't care about going fast. Which is fine, and what you should have led with. However, you do it in the most immature way possible, by flailing your arms wildly around and screaming "I don't care about anything but drifting and everything else is lame!"

Yes, just keep putting words in my mouth... Never said I didn't care about going fast, I drive fast quite often. I never said everything other than drifting was lame, I said drag racing is lame. What I said was that none of the crap that you're spewing out pertains to me in any way shape or form.

This seems to be a reoccurring trend of this forum, that people who talk all about racing and and car setup and building cars "the right way" (whatever that means) go around forcing their opinions of how a car should be set up on people who drift as if they have no idea what they're doing.

I prefaced the thread by saying this was a drift car. I've been drifting for years after switching over from grip driving. I know the what a car needs to be set up for each style of driving based on LOTS of seat time. I don't sit at home reading books about car setup to sound smart on the internet, I go out and drive, and make adjustments to the car based on the way I want the car to feel, and sometimes I make comprimises based on how I want the car to look.

So if you know anything about drifting from experience and want to talk car setup, then feel free. But don't come into my thread and act like a child trying to force your findings from some chassis engineering book on me like I don't know what I'm doing... If you were really that interested in HPDE's and road racing then you'd know that the most important thing is seat time and building driver skill. You could tune your sway bars for years, and if you're a shitty driver then I could still put down better times in a shitty drift car if I'm a better driver than you, or know the track better than you.

The end

[fatoni]

i do like how i get called cheap because i like cheap wheels when hes over there posting about stance coilovers and how endlinks need preload.

[ill roller]

Holy shit, I bought $1400 coilovers, I'm such a cheapass... Stance is a quality, non-knockoff product used on many professional drift cars/time attack cars/road race cars. Just because I'm not rocking Aragostas or something comparable doesn't make me cheap. That's like calling someone cheap for buying a brand new BRZ/FRS when there's Ferrari's that could be bought too, your logic is flawed.

As for the endlink thing, I don't think I said anything about preloading them, I think I said I adjusted them so there was a little tension while the car was in the air... I had no way of adjusting with the car on the ground, so I did what I could... I'm going to be honest, if you've ever used adjustable endlinks, the difference between an endlink with no tension, one with tension, and the stock endlink with a lot of tension is very negligable. Not to mention my car hasn't been aligned as I'm waiting on rear camber arms, so the sway bar endlink would be most easily adjusted during alignment with the ease of having the car lifted up.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by ill roller

Holy shit, I bought $1400 coilovers, I'm such a cheapass... Stance is a quality, non-knockoff product used on many professional drift cars/time attack cars/road race cars. Just because I'm not rocking Aragostas or something comparable doesn't make me cheap. That's like calling someone cheap for buying a brand new BRZ/FRS when there's Ferrari's that could be bought too, your logic is flawed.

As for the endlink thing, I don't think I said anything about preloading them, I think I said I adjusted them so there was a little tension while the car was in the air... I had no way of adjusting with the car on the ground, so I did what I could... I'm going to be honest, if you've ever used adjustable endlinks, the difference between an endlink with no tension, one with tension, and the stock endlink with a lot of tension is very negligable. Not to mention my car hasn't been aligned as I'm waiting on rear camber arms, so the sway bar endlink would be most easily adjusted during alignment with the ease of having the car lifted up.

its your critical thinking and not my logic that is flawed. i dont care if stance is a knockoff or not. that has no bearing on quality. they are outsourced chinese or maybe korean part where the company doing the testing are not the company building the product or performing quality control. you missed the point. im not knocking you fro cheap coilovers. im knocking you for calling me cheap for liking cheap rims (even though that is an assumption on your part) while at the same time running cheap coilovers and cheap tires that dont fit on your expensive rims. im going to be honest, the difference between a stock endlink and an adjustable one is not noticed when you sit under the car and feel them. you find the difference when your sway bar binds because your endlinks are forcing your swaybar into other suspension components.

[ill roller]

Originally Posted by fatoni

its your critical thinking and not my logic that is flawed. i dont care if stance is a knockoff or not. that has no bearing on quality. they are outsourced chinese or maybe korean part where the company doing the testing are not the company building the product or performing quality control. you missed the point. im not knocking you fro cheap coilovers. im knocking you for calling me cheap for liking cheap rims (even though that is an assumption on your part) while at the same time running cheap coilovers and cheap tires that dont fit on your expensive rims. im going to be honest, the difference between a stock endlink and an adjustable one is not noticed when you sit under the car and feel them. you find the difference when your sway bar binds because your endlinks are forcing your swaybar into other suspension components.

Honestly I could care less where its made as long as the product proves itself... Stance coilovers to my knowledge were previously made in Japan until the main factory closed down. As far as I know they're made in the same place as Buddy Club, Kei Office, HSD, and probably others. From what I have seen in person with Stance, the coilovers are inspected and typically assembled in house in the US before sale.

There's a difference between a quality entry level coilover and a cheap crappy coilover. Just because you personally don't know anything about the quality of a product doesn't make it a shit product. These coilovers are proven, work great, and they have great customer service... Try complaining to Rota that one of your shitty wheels cracked in half and see where that gets you... Unlike with Stance's, I've seen many knockoff wheels crack or break from things that a quality wheel would only bend from. So I don't see how you could even compare that.

As for my cheap tires, it's drifting, I don't think you understand that the point is to burn up the rears. In the front this season I ran AD08's on my E30, and Star Specs on my IS, and clearly my tires fit on my "expensive rims", you can see them on in the pictures.

No binding here, so I guess I'm all good... I've had cars lowered a lot with factory endlinks that did bind as well, and they drove fine too.

[TylerLieberman]

Everybody on the interwebz is a pro about everything. Cause the internet said so.

I dont even pay attention to anything LSxJunkie says. He always says the same thing to different people.

Heres my thought. His cars and build threads involve driving and awesome quality parts and progress.... And driving. Not a 3 paragraph essay on their new interior LED lights or a full page writeup on how the two bucket method is the only way to wash this car.

It's a fucking CAR. Buy, build, drive, have fun. The end.

That IS300 is sick. Wing is a bit too much for me but it's sick and does what its meant to do. His BRZ is sick and will only get better.

[ill roller]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

No, you said sleepers were lame and only good for drag racing.

So...

I pointed out that there are road racing sleepers too.

Then...

You took issue of my use of the term "sway tuning" as though it was something you had never heard of.

But...

My error was assuming that you meant "track day" when you said track day, not drift sessions.

So...

I went into a brief explanation of how someone setting up a car would use adjustable sway bars to make their car behave as you seemed to have never heard of the concept.

Then...

You launched into another tirade about how you're a better driver than me and I'm just spitting out things I've learned in a book because of your years of grip driving in either Time Trials, W2W, or AutoX, seeing as you've never done an HPDE.


Conclusion.

I don't care about your setup. It's your car, you can set it up to do anything you like. That's between you and your wallet. I simply found your assumption that sleepers were only for drag racing quaint and provided an example of a track day sleeper. You took that to mean that I was taking issue with you, your build philosophy, and your general approach to life and reacted. Poorly.

I really just don't know why it matters what your car looks like at a track day, sleeper or not... The whole idea behind a sleeper is that it rolls up on some unsuspecting person on the street and rapes them in a race. If you're at a trackday and you're wheel to wheel racing then no one will be paying attention to what the car looks like, and if you're at a lapping day then you're not actually racing against anyone... The whole idea behind what you're talking about just sounds like you like expensive lemons cars.

Sway tuning is a stupid term, and you said you had days of work into it, so I mocked it.

A track day is a track day regardless of what you're doing on the track, just because you don't care for drifting you automatically classify it as no a track day? Mature.

Never once said I was a better driver than you. Never said I had done years of girp driving in any of those things. I did say I had been drifting for years, and I did say I used to be big into grip driving. I open lapping days, high speed autox, and countless hours of canyon runs when I used to live out west. And I did say "if you're a shitty driver then I could still put down better times in a shitty drift car if I'm a better driver than you, or know the track better than you"

So really it comes down once again to reading comprehension.

If you don't care about my setup then why have you posted all this nonsense about car setup in here? I know I damn sure didn't ask for help with car setup. I didn't take anything you said as offensive, but you made a comment about a sleeper blowing by me, and I commented on the childishness and unlikeliness of that happening.

Let me know if you need any more clarifications between what I've said and what you think I've said.

[dem00n]

You guys should date, it be cute.

ill roller could pick up LSxJunkie in his BMW convertible thing and you guys could go for sushi.

No?