So my FR-S is officially a lemon...

[Rayme]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

You can buy a 20-pack of dessicant packets for $3.99. Hide one inside the back of the housing. Can't hurt right?

Whenever I open lights (to blackout/mod) I hide one in there along with silicone to make sure I never have to open that one again.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by ottopilot

Whenever I open lights (to blackout/mod) I hide one in there along with silicone to make sure I never have to open that one again.

Fantastic! Which ones do you use? You just tape it inside?

[Rayme]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

Fantastic! Which ones do you use? You just tape it inside?

Yea, tape it behind the reflector or a place that is not too close to the heat of the bulb. I keep those silica gel packets everytime I find them, shoe boxes, furniture, etc...

[frsinpa]

Originally Posted by dem00n

I have the same problem, my right tail light was already changed for condensation and its back. Even worse.

Now the right one is getting it as well and is also slightly cracked, i'll have to go back and change them both. Hope i don't have any problems....

Isn't the problem of the taillights getting condensation from the light being torqued too hard during installation? Maybe its the fault of the person putting it in, not the car...?

Yep, a lot of folks who clicked this thread aren't understanding the problem.

The problem isn't with the tail lights themselves... I could take time out of my day each month to constantly replace the tail lights and it won't solve anything. Even after scion installed brand new tail lights, the same problem keeps occuring.. OVER and OVER again.

Put it this way: having the dealership install new tail lights is like putting a band-aid over the real problem.

Once they install the new ones, they work fine for a couple weeks before water collects... then I'm back into the same cycle where I have to get them repaired.

The REAL problem is with the defective body of the car, which allows tail lights to collect condensation. It's pretty clear that there is an inherent design flaw that allows water to seep into the tail lights. I think we have established that at this point.

So I would challenge you folks to step back and analyze the problem within that context. It's very misinformed for folks to come into this thread and say "LOL lemon law over tail lights?". I challenge you to understand that the root problem is the body itself, not the tail lights. I've gone through 3 different sets of lights so far and the problem hasn't gone away.

I know everyone likes to have a knee jerk reaction and not actually think critically, so I feel the need to chime in and set the record straight.

When I put down all my cash, I did not expect that my car would need constant service... but that is kinda where I'm at. It's extremely frustrating to buy a brand new car only to have a constant nagging issue with no end in sight, which is why I'm exploring the lemon laws.

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by frsinpa

Yep, a lot of folks who clicked this thread aren't understanding the problem.

The problem isn't with the tail lights themselves... I could take time out of my day each month to constantly replace the tail lights and it won't solve anything. Even after scion installed brand new tail lights, the same problem keeps occuring.. OVER and OVER again.

Put it this way: having the dealership install new tail lights is like putting a band-aid over the real problem.

Once they install the new ones, they work fine for a couple weeks before water collects... then I'm back into the same cycle where I have to get them repaired.

The REAL problem is with the defective body of the car, which allows tail lights to collect condensation. It's pretty clear that there is an inherent desn flaw that allows water to seep into the tail lights. I think we have established that at this point.

So I would challenge you folks to step back and analyze the problem within that context. It's very misinformed for folks to come into this thread and say "LOL lemon law over tail lights?". I challenge you to understand that the root problem is the body itself, not the tail lights. I've gone through 3 different sets of lights so far and the problem hasn't gone away.

I know everyone likes to have a knee jerk reaction and not actually think critically, so I feel the need to chime in and set the record straight.

When I put down all my cash, I did not expect that my car would need constant service... but that is kinda where I'm at. It's extremely frustrating to buy a brand new car only to have a constant nagging issue with no end in sight, which is why I'm exploring the lemon laws.

Taillights are sealed units. The problem has nothing to do with the body of the car. Condensation forms when the seal is compromised.

[Deebeaux]

Originally Posted by White Shadow

Taillights are sealed units. The problem has nothing to do with the body of the car. Condensation forms when the seal is compromised.

This. It's not water getting into the lights from an "intrusion" or "migration" standpoint. It's condensation building up in the lights due to a crack or other compromised area of the seal. (The Subaru TSB shows a crack in the tail light housing.)

The likelihood of having a car flagged as a lemon and refunded/replaced over a tail light is pretty slim.

[cf6mech]

I most have the Golden FRS,...no Cel's, no condensation,no shift problems....nada!,...but the point of the OP I understand,...for me it would be more of the lost time going back and forth to the dealer which is a un-accounted expense, it not being fixed the first time would have me trying a different dealership,....they are highly competitive, I would be sure to mention dealer A failed to fix the problem,...can you Dealer B show them how its done right.

[frsinpa]

Originally Posted by White Shadow

Taillights are sealed units. The problem has nothing to do with the body of the car. Condensation forms when the seal is compromised.

I think it's really difficult to make a statement like that.. there is no real definitive way to say that is the case.

I've gone through a bunch of tail lights and the problem still persists, so it's tough for me to agree with a statement like that.

[Touge Monster]

Originally Posted by frsinpa

Yep, a lot of folks who clicked this thread aren't understanding the problem.

The problem isn't with the tail lights themselves... I could take time out of my day each month to constantly replace the tail lights and it won't solve anything. Even after scion installed brand new tail lights, the same problem keeps occuring.. OVER and OVER again.

Put it this way: having the dealership install new tail lights is like putting a band-aid over the real problem.

Once they install the new ones, they work fine for a couple weeks before water collects... then I'm back into the same cycle where I have to get them repaired.

The REAL problem is with the defective body of the car, which allows tail lights to collect condensation. It's pretty clear that there is an inherent design flaw that allows water to seep into the tail lights. I think we have established that at this point.

So I would challenge you folks to step back and analyze the problem within that context. It's very misinformed for folks to come into this thread and say "LOL lemon law over tail lights?". I challenge you to understand that the root problem is the body itself, not the tail lights. I've gone through 3 different sets of lights so far and the problem hasn't gone away.

I know everyone likes to have a knee jerk reaction and not actually think critically, so I feel the need to chime in and set the record straight.

When I put down all my cash, I did not expect that my car would need constant service... but that is kinda where I'm at. It's extremely frustrating to buy a brand new car only to have a constant nagging issue with no end in sight, which is why I'm exploring the lemon laws.

Actually the problem is not with the lenses or the body the problem is with the foam rubber gasket between the lense & body. The nuts that hold the taillight lense to the body are being over tightened from the factory which pinches the gasket making points of entry for moisture.
To op when the dealer replaced your taillamps did they also replace the gaskets?? SU003-04315 & SU003-02586 that should correct the problem.

[Razz]

They are replacing the defective tail light with another defective tail light.

You need a new one off the assembly line after they have fixed the problem at the suppliers.

It's the same bad quality problems with the fule pump. They just replace it with another bad pump, not a revised version of the pump.

In fact the same thing may be happening with the idle problem where members still have the problem after the cam sprockets and other components are replaced.

This just shows how bad the quality control is at Toyota.

Remember the sticking gas pedal? They refuse to acknowledge that it was a design flaw and blamed it on a mechanical part from the supplier.

[Yruyur]

Originally Posted by Razz

They are replacing the defective tail light with another defective tail light.

This just shows how bad the quality control is at Toyota.

You mean Subaru?

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[fistpoint]

Did everyone skip my post? I'm pretty sure the TSB mentions that the installation procedure and/or over tightening is what is cracking the seal. It's not the light itself, it's the uneducated monkey installing them.

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by frsinpa

I think it's really difficult to make a statement like that.. there is no real definitive way to say that is the case.

I've gone through a bunch of tail lights and the problem still persists, so it's tough for me to agree with a statement like that.

Any time a taillight has a way for air (or water, for that matter) to get inside, condensation will eventually develop. It can even happen if you had a set of taillights sitting on a table in your back yard. It has nothing to do with the body of the car. If your car has gone through multiple taillight replacements, it's not because there is a defect in the body of the car.

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by Razz

They are replacing the defective tail light with another defective tail light.

You need a new one off the assembly line after they have fixed the problem at the suppliers.

It's the same bad quality problems with the fule pump. They just replace it with another bad pump, not a revised version of the pump.

In fact the same thing may be happening with the idle problem where members still have the problem after the cam sprockets and other components are replaced.

This just shows how bad the quality control is at Toyota.

Remember the sticking gas pedal? They refuse to acknowledge that it was a design flaw and blamed it on a mechanical part from the supplier.

Actually, they were using two different suppliers for the gas pedal assemblies. One supplier was discovered to have been the source of ALL Toyota's problems and the other supplier had zero issues. FWIW, Toyota does not manufacture their own accelerator pedals....they are supplied as a complete unit and installed at the factory. So even if you blame it on a design flaw, it wasn't Toyota's design flaw.