Can it be too sporty?

[MiguelAE86]

All this talk about snow and rideheight makes me glad I live in South Florida. Flat & Sunny!

[82mm 4g63]

Originally Posted by MiguelAE86

All this talk about snow and rideheight makes me glad I live in South Florida. Flat & Sunny!

x2 :happy0180:

[blur]

I drove in the snow on bald front tires in my v6 accord . . . luls.

RWD in the snow takes skill, but then again, not many sports cars are made to handle snow. In fact, I'm probably going to use public transportation during snowstorms to save my baby from the salt. Its not that difficult for me. And at the end of the winter, I'll thank myself for taking care of it.

Listen, if your really worried about snow and cargo space, go get an wrx hatch. You'll love it.

[fatoni]

the car is going to need to be a certain height for pedestrian impact laws and stuff like that. that usually means they design some ground clearance and wheel well gap so the car can look normal and all of us who care can lower it and get the sexy illegal design they intended. also i dont think its going to have the lowest cg in a production vehicle. maybe for its class but that isnt saying anything

[ToyotaObsession]

Originally Posted by RRnold

X-runner!?! An X-runner is pretty high compared to most sport compacts.

Ironically you were the same person who had the nerve to put Scion and Supra in the same sentence in another post!! -> ->

I just went out and measured my front bumper and it's got 8 inches of Clearance with some suspension bits hanging about an inch below that. So effective clearance of 7 inches or so. Pretty much on par with the tC at 6.3.

You can't judge based on looks. It's an inch lower than a standard 2WD, and it's got a body kit. It does have a lot of clearance between the tires and wheel wells. But that has nothing to do with clearance under it.

Actually I've put them together in several posts like this one. It's inevitable. If (HUGE if there) Toyota ever makes a new generation of Supras, it will be a Scion. There is absolutely no reason for them to make a Toyota here. Naturally of course everywhere else it will be a Toyota. But in the states. Why have a standalone $40K+ Sports car in your lineup? When you can just as easily place in under a brand with other Sports Cars. Same goes for anything else Toyota releases. You can not like it all you want but that doesn't change anything.

Can you think of an actual reason other than appeasing fan boys that they would release a Supra under the Toyota nameplate? Don't give me that tired line "Well it's too expensive to be a Scion nobody will pay $40K+ for a Scion." Because that's .

The FT-86 is already creeping up from low 20's to mid 20's. Hope to see a TRD edition? Easy upper 20's if not low 30's. Suddenly the jump to the 40's isn't that much. Throw in something in the middle there like an MR2 replacement, boom low,mid, and high.

So seriously, other than just not liking Scion. Why wouldn't they release it as Scion?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

I just went out and measured my front bumper and it's got 8 inches of Clearance with some suspension bits hanging about an inch below that. So effective clearance of 7 inches or so. Pretty much on par with the tC at 6.3.

You can't judge based on looks. It's an inch lower than a standard 2WD, and it's got a body kit. It does have a lot of clearance between the tires and wheel wells. But that has nothing to do with clearance under it.

Actually I've put them together in several posts like this one. It's inevitable. If (HUGE if there) Toyota ever makes a new generation of Supras, it will be a Scion. There is absolutely no reason for them to make a Toyota here. Naturally of course everywhere else it will be a Toyota. But in the states. Why have a standalone $40K+ Sports car in your lineup? When you can just as easily place in under a brand with other Sports Cars. Same goes for anything else Toyota releases. You can not like it all you want but that doesn't change anything.

Can you think of an actual reason other than appeasing fan boys that they would release a Supra under the Toyota nameplate? Don't give me that tired line "Well it's too expensive to be a Scion nobody will pay $40K+ for a Scion." Because that's .

The FT-86 is already creeping up from low 20's to mid 20's. Hope to see a TRD edition? Easy upper 20's if not low 30's. Suddenly the jump to the 40's isn't that much. Throw in something in the middle there like an MR2 replacement, boom low,mid, and high.

So seriously, other than just not liking Scion. Why wouldn't they release it as Scion?

while we are talking about ground clearance, i think what most people mean is suspension travel as that would affect ride quality a little more.

the difference between high 20s and 40s is huge. you reason that toyota doesnt have any sports cars but neither does scion. scion has that no haggle policy that will cost dealers all the markup the market would warrant. one sports car isnt really a problem for a company.

sometimes one is all it needs. lotus only has the evora. before the lfa (if that counts) lexus had what? isf. before the gtr nissan had the z. arguably mercedes has the slk. hyundai has the genesis coupe. mazda has the miata. you really only need one sports car in a lineup because they only have one goal. not like other segments

[[es vi: eks]]

For NZ we have to have a clearance from the road surface to the lowest structual part of body (normally from the sill its taken from I think?). That is 100mm clearance.
Mind you, In Chch you still need good ground clearance due to all the pot holes etc from Earthquake damage.

[Type[R]+]

For me, as long as it's got aircon and a CD player (or place to put one) I'm fine.

I can see hard suspension being an issue, old idiots here complained about the first gen Honda Accord Euro (TSX) being too firm. FFS, Honda marketed the car as a sporty version, and they sell the plain soft Accord for those who want comfort. Honda ended up softening up the suspension on the update model.

There will be old people who buy this car, then complain that it's too basic, too firm, and probably too loud....

[Matador]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

So seriously, other than just not liking Scion. Why wouldn't they release it as Scion?

Because, F'k Scion?

Srsly, a $40k Scion isn't going to fly, much less a proper supra, is going to be well over $40k...

Toyota has an image problem. You can only go so far to solving that by releasing products under a different brand, regardless of the fact that they are by the same company and sold in the same showrooms. See for example Pontiac/Saturn/Chevy or GAP/Banana Republic/Old Navy. their idea is to have a natural progression in ownership from scion > Toyota > Lexus, isn't it? If all the young folk skip Toyota, then who are gonna buy them once the current "old" clientel have died off?

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

So seriously, other than just not liking Scion. Why wouldn't they release it as Scion?

Yeah, a big one.

Lexus FT-HS = new Supra.

[Andy]

No it cannot be too sporty!

Give me minimal interior, 2 racing seats (though make them decently wide, I play Rugby and football, yes your american football, not soccer so I'm not a skinny arsed lightweight!).
LSD Wohoo!
No air-con
ABSOLUTELY NO SUN ROOF!
no radio/speakers the engine noise should be good enough

And I see this car as the replacement for the AE86, So Toyota (Scion whatever) now need to make a new Celica GF-Four (All Track?) a new MR2, and a new Supra.... and they need to be SPORTS CARS!

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by cyde01

you're talking of a majority out of the drivers that DO drive on snow tires right? an even larger majority don't drive em at all when it snows.

"Correct, a larger majority don't drive at all when it snows. But that reflects on the driver's choice. It has very little to do with the car's capabilities so I'm not sure why you even mention it.

so what do S2000 drivers that DD do in deep snow? do they simply take another car?

Yes you take another car or don't drive. An S2000 is 1-2 inches lower to the ground than your average car. So if you get 12" of snow and decide to go out driving on unplowed roads does that 1-2 inches of difference really matter that much?

the car is going to need to be a certain height for pedestrian impact laws and stuff like that. that usually means they design some ground clearance and wheel well gap so the car can look normal and all of us who care can lower it and get the sexy illegal design they intended. also i dont think its going to have the lowest cg in a production vehicle. maybe for its class but that isnt saying anything

I'm going to disagree here. The Pedestrian impact law (which is a European thing) requires there to be a certain amount of clearance between the hood and the engine to soften the blow if a person falls on the front of the car. It has nothing to do with ground clearance and wheel well gap. Since the FR-S has a flat "boxer" engine with a low profile the hood can also have a low profile. I don't expect this car to be any taller than a Miata.

[oneday]

Originally Posted by madfast

have you ever driven [an Exige] in the snow? how does it handle pot holes?

A co-worker has an Elise and he daily drove it for two years...in as much as 2" of snow on occasion. Yes, he put snow tires on and no, it was not fun to drive...but it was his only car at the time so he had to deal with it. The Elise is now super charged and relegated to weekend duty (it's actually for sale if anyone is interested, PM me).

Pot holes are a pain...but no worse in the Elise than they were in my Miata or a they are in a MINI Cooper S.

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

I just went out and measured my [X-Runner's] front bumper and it's got 8 inches of Clearance with some suspension bits hanging about an inch below that. So effective clearance of 7 inches or so. Pretty much on par with the tC at 6.3.

FWIW, I've been to multiple track days with a guy that runs his X-Runner and it holds its own quite well. I've also autocrossed against one a few time...they are lower than you think.

[Shadowsong6]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

I just went out and measured my front bumper and it's got 8 inches of Clearance with some suspension bits hanging about an inch below that. So effective clearance of 7 inches or so. Pretty much on par with the tC at 6.3.

You can't judge based on looks. It's an inch lower than a standard 2WD, and it's got a body kit. It does have a lot of clearance between the tires and wheel wells. But that has nothing to do with clearance under it.

Actually I've put them together in several posts like this one. It's inevitable. If (HUGE if there) Toyota ever makes a new generation of Supras, it will be a Scion. There is absolutely no reason for them to make a Toyota here. Naturally of course everywhere else it will be a Toyota. But in the states. Why have a standalone $40K+ Sports car in your lineup? When you can just as easily place in under a brand with other Sports Cars. Same goes for anything else Toyota releases. You can not like it all you want but that doesn't change anything.

Can you think of an actual reason other than appeasing fan boys that they would release a Supra under the Toyota nameplate? Don't give me that tired line "Well it's too expensive to be a Scion nobody will pay $40K+ for a Scion." Because that's .

The FT-86 is already creeping up from low 20's to mid 20's. Hope to see a TRD edition? Easy upper 20's if not low 30's. Suddenly the jump to the 40's isn't that much. Throw in something in the middle there like an MR2 replacement, boom low,mid, and high.

So seriously, other than just not liking Scion. Why wouldn't they release it as Scion?

I don't see that happening. I think it would still be a toyota, or possibly a lexus. They say that scion is 'youth targeted' so they prices would have to be on the lower end of the spectrum, I don't see them trying to push a 30-40k car in a youth oriented brand, especially considering the most expensive car scion currently sells is what, mid 20s? 26k-ish maybe?