FR-S amongst luxury

[kuruma]

Originally Posted by Marrk

If I had to drive a Ferrari all day long in 1st gear in L.A. traffic, I think I might get unhappy. I wouldn't be surprised if it got unhappy, too.

Just sayin'.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by kuruma

Lol so true!

[Marrk]

Relax, dude. It comes with marshmallows.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

But if you can afford a Ferrari you could care less about the damage and will just a buy a new one. Why would someone with money and "status" in society decide to buy a Scion (USA) when they could afford any car they want. If they suck that badly at driving, they probably just have the Ferrari for looks/status and could care less about driving the Ferrari to the limit. I know we all love the FT-86 project, but no need to hype this car up as a god-send. It is great and all, but if I had $$$$ to spend on whatever car I wanted, it wouldn't even enter my list of possibilities.

This right here ladies and gentlemen, is the difference between people who get rich, and people who say rich.


Having money does not equate with having driving skill. Just because I can afford a Ferrari, doesn't mean that I can drive it hard. Just because I can't now, doesn't mean I wouldn't like to someday. It also doesn't mean I want to repeatedly spend tens of thousands of my fortune repeatedly replacing Ferraris. Plus you know, the media attention, and add to the fact that Ferrari really does not like it when you crash their cars. Really, they don't.

You make a lot of rash assumptions, and are in fact very wrong. You also come off as a person that is looking to buy a badge, as much as you try to berate the "buy it for looks and status" crowd, because while Ferraris certainly are up there in terms of world class cars, they aren't the pinnacle of driving dynamics. Few others do it better IMHO. And if you really do love cars and driving, and can afford a garage full of cars, why not have something like the FR-S too, supposing of course it does live up to it's promise of what it's said to be?

Before I grew up and realized that it makes no sense to have more cars than you could realistically drive in a given week, I always imagined one day growing up and becoming ridiculously, filthy, stinking wealthy and having a fleet of cars, like which ever sultan is the flavour of the news. However, always in that fleet would have to be pristine versions of the cars I grew up and cars that made me feel warm and fuzzy about them. and if you are about the drive and not the status, you would be surprised at some of the cars that can do that.

[SUB-FT86]

I agree with Matador on that post 1000%. I love sports cars of all price ranges and I could care less about status symbol bullshit that the world worships.

[Marrk]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I agree with Matador on that post 1000%. I love sports cars of all price ranges and I could care less about status symbol bullshit that the world worships.

This is what I'm talking about.

[1660]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

This right here ladies and gentlemen, is the difference between people who get rich, and people who say rich.


Having money does not equate with having driving skill. Just because I can afford a Ferrari, doesn't mean that I can drive it hard. Just because I can't now, doesn't mean I wouldn't like to someday. It also doesn't mean I want to repeatedly spend tens of thousands of my fortune repeatedly replacing Ferraris. Plus you know, the media attention, and add to the fact that Ferrari really does not like it when you crash their cars. Really, they don't.

You make a lot of rash assumptions, and are in fact very wrong. You also come off as a person that is looking to buy a badge, as much as you try to berate the "buy it for looks and status" crowd, because while Ferraris certainly are up there in terms of world class cars, they aren't the pinnacle of driving dynamics. Few others do it better IMHO. And if you really do love cars and driving, and can afford a garage full of cars, why not have something like the FR-S too, supposing of course it does live up to it's promise of what it's said to be?

Before I grew up and realized that it makes no sense to have more cars than you could realistically drive in a given week, I always imagined one day growing up and becoming ridiculously, filthy, stinking wealthy and having a fleet of cars, like which ever sultan is the flavour of the news. However, always in that fleet would have to be pristine versions of the cars I grew up and cars that made me feel warm and fuzzy about them. and if you are about the drive and not the status, you would be surprised at some of the cars that can do that.

"The truth......You can't stand the truth......"

[OldSkoolToys]

Exactly why I haven't, nor ever will, get rid of my AE86. Part of it is sentiment, yes, especially of the memories it holds, but it truly is one of my most favorite car's ever made that I've driven. And I have driven quite a few cars.

My "fleet" wouldn't be complete without it. Now wouldn't that be something to see? Amongst all the euro super-cars in my Automobile "bunker" at my $10mil vacation house, rests a 1985 Toyota Corolla GT-S...and AW11...and MA70...ok, so the garage would be a little Toyota Biased...

[kuruma]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I agree with Matador on that post 1000%. I love sports cars of all price ranges and I could care less about status symbol bullshit that the world worships.

You said it best, some people could care less about the status symbol. Like yourself.
But the world in general does care about that status symbol. Go to a club and see how many girls will flock to you when you valet a ferrari vs a scion.

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by kuruma

You said it best, some people could care less about the status symbol. Like yourself.
But the world in general does care about that status symbol. Go to a club and see how many girls will flock to you when you valet a ferrari vs a scion.

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[tranzformer]

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a perfect example of those who are fanbois and those who are not. I know we all like the FT86 or else we wouldn't be on this forum. However some of the comments on this forum are just mind boggling.

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

This right here ladies and gentlemen, is the difference between people who get rich, and people who say rich.


Having money does not equate with having driving skill. Just because I can afford a Ferrari, doesn't mean that I can drive it hard. Just because I can't now, doesn't mean I wouldn't like to someday.

I think we can all agree that having money does not equate with one having driving skills. Many examples like Stefan Eriksson, Eddie Griffin, Ryan Dunn..bla bla bla. The list goes on. I would never disagree with you about that. However there are very few celebrities/rich people who don't know how to drive well that will eventually want to. Those that enjoy driving and are good at it, are good at driving now and will continue to do so. It is their hobby. Could someone change their mind? Sure I don't see why not. But you make it sound like all these rich guys driving Lambos, Ferraris, Buggatis really really want to learn how to drive well. Of course they want to learn to drive well, that is why they bought the Lambo or Ferrari in the first place. Cause it is such a great car to learn how to drive well in. lol The question to ask is why did they buy a raging bull on steroids that they can't handle the full potential of it? Because they never plan on driving it to its full potential. Rich people drive their Ferrari, Bentley, Lambo, Zonda to Beverly Hills, South Beach, Las Vegas, Monte Carlo....etc. so that they can be seen and show off how "cool/successful/awesome/studly" they are.

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

It also doesn't mean I want to repeatedly spend tens of thousands of my fortune repeatedly replacing Ferraris.

You make a lot of rash assumptions here and are very wrong. Maybe you didn't grow up around rich/spoiled kids/adults in your life. While I never grew up rich, I had many friends who's parents were filthy rich. Those kids never took care of their things. Bikes, cars, clothes, electronics, they never took care of it cause they knew mommy and daddy would replace it. Clothes they would wear once and then buy something new. As an adult now, I know quite a few adults like this as well. Quite a few of them have no problem abusing their cars since they can just go right out and buy a new one with cash. These people are not like us. You are thinking like a common middle class person wanting to save your money and not waste any of it. Rich people have no problem "repeatedly spending tens of thousands of their fortune repeatedly replace Ferraris." These are the same people that drop $10-20k tab at a bar in Vegas, Miami, LA on the weekend. Money is no object to them since they have millions of it.

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Plus you know, the media attention, and add to the fact that Ferrari really does not like it when you crash their cars. Really, they don't.

What are you exactly trying to get at there? Accidents happen. It isn't like someone spends $$$ on a Ferrari with the goal of crashing it. Never heard of a celebrity that didn't like general (not bad) media attention (well maybe some like Warren Buffet but he drives Caddy DTS). There are plenty of celebrities and rich people who crash their cars. But I doubt they try not to crash their car because of the possible negative media attention, but probably more because they don't want to injure themselves or possible kill themselves?

Plus I'm not sure what you mean by Ferrari not liking it when you crash their car? No one crashes a car on purpose, do they?

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

You make a lot of rash assumptions, and are in fact very wrong. You also come off as a person that is looking to buy a badge, as much as you try to berate the "buy it for looks and status" crowd, because while Ferraris certainly are up there in terms of world class cars, they aren't the pinnacle of driving dynamics. Few others do it better IMHO. And if you really do love cars and driving, and can afford a garage full of cars, why not have something like the FR-S too, supposing of course it does live up to it's promise of what it's said to be?

Sorry, but I come across as the kind of person looking to buy a badge? Huh, are you f***ing kidding me? I am interested in a Scion/Subaru that will run in the low $20k range and you are calling me a brand whore. lol Get a life dude. If I was a brand whore I would take my big whopping budget of ~$25-27k for a car and buy a used BMW or Audi. Then I would feel so cool and fit in with all the other d-bags in this world. So why in the world would you say I am buying a Scion/Subaru for "status"? Huh? Come again. You are considering the exact same car that I am, are you not? So you are buying "status" with your logic. lol Or do you no longer want the FT86? I think you have me confused with someone else.

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

because while Ferraris certainly are up there in terms of world class cars, they aren't the pinnacle of driving dynamics. Few others do it better IMHO. And if you really do love cars and driving, and can afford a garage full of cars, why not have something like the FR-S too, supposing of course it does live up to it's promise of what it's said to be?

Not sure what you mean by the bolded as you contradict yourself. Are Ferraris not the pinnacle of driving dynamics or do few others do it better than Ferrari? Which one?

Are Ferrari's the pinnacle of driving performance? Not sure what you mean by the term "driving performance" as that definition means different things to different people and what you are specifically looking for in a car and your budget. However I think you would be hard pressed to find a better stock car than the Ferrari 458 Italia for your money as of today (under $300k). I have never driven one nor will ever have the pleasure, but from all the reviews I'm not sure you will get anything as pure of a car as a 458. The only other car I would throw into the conversation would probably be a 911 GT2 RS. But those are two different kind of cars in many ways (N/A vs. turbo, paddles vs. stick, Italian vs. German engineering). (Ok MatadorRacing_F1 you will probably mention the Lexus LFA right about here lol ). But honestly, Ferrari makes some of the best street legal, pure driving, super cars out there.

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

And if you really do love cars and driving, and can afford a garage full of cars, why not have something like the FR-S too, supposing of course it does live up to it's promise of what it's said to be?

Not saying a rich person can't afford a FT-86 in their garage. My point is why? Unless they are a total Toyota fanboi (like many on here) or have nostalgia of their old AE86 from when they were younger and driving around tofu, there are many many other options they would consider first. No question about that. The reason so many of us look forward to the FT86 is because it is suppose to meet many of our desires with one of the most important being affordable amongst others. We have budgets and this car looks like our best option. But holy smokes, if I had +$300k for my next car I would't even be writing to you guys right now since I could afford a "better" car than the FT86. But guess what, I'm just an average Joe so the FT86 represents the key design features I have been wanting in a car that is within my budget.

You think a multimillionaire/billionaire living in Beverly Hills, Manhattan or Monte Carlo would buy a Scion to park next to their Ferrari/Lambo sports car, Bentley DD and their wife's Bentley/Benz? These are the people who spend several hundred if not thousands of dollars on purses from Burberry, Louis Vuitton, Hermes, Chanel...etc. At that point, these people care about status and reputation. Buying a "cheap" Scion/Subaru would be shocking within their social circles since they didn't buy a Lambo or Zonda and bought some cheap Asian sports car wannabe.

This says it all:

"It's the difference between buying a Rolls Royce at $300,000 and buying a Rolls Royce at $150,000," he says. "There's really little difference at some point--it's the status that comes along with it and the desire to separate yourself."

http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/23/lux...24feat_ls.html

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Before I grew up and realized that it makes no sense to have more cars than you could realistically drive in a given week, I always imagined one day growing up and becoming ridiculously, filthy, stinking wealthy and having a fleet of cars, like which ever sultan is the flavour of the news. However, always in that fleet would have to be pristine versions of the cars I grew up and cars that made me feel warm and fuzzy about them. and if you are about the drive and not the status, you would be surprised at some of the cars that can do that.

I agree with you on that. But you and I are both auto enthusiasts (like most on here). But we have different taste than filthy rich people who only socialize with other filthy rich people and who only marry other filthy rich people and who end up giving birth to other filthy rich people. For them money=status, the things you have= status, expensive things= status and status=their superficial "happiness" or enjoyment. Whatever you want to call it. They are not like us.

[ichitaka05]

Hm... I think, both Mata & Tranz are correct.

There are different kind of "Rich" ppl. One like Mata explained and another one like Tranz explained (I know both kind).

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Hm... I think, both Mata & Tranz are correct.

There are different kind of "Rich" ppl. One like Mata explained and another one like Tranz explained (I know both kind).

Sure I can agree with that. I am doing a broad generalization of those that I know. I am sure there are others who do not fit "my" cookie cutter mold.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a perfect example of those who are fanbois and those who are not. I know we all like the FT86 or else we wouldn't be on this forum. However some of the comments on this forum are just mind boggling.

tl;dr

If you are trying to accuse me of being a "fanboi" you ought to get off your high horse and GTFO. All I'm saying is that just because I can buy Ferraris, doesn't mean that I wouldn't buy another cheap car because I like driving it, which was the guys point in the goddamned first place.

p.s. huge difference between rich and wealthy. That's what I alluded to with my first line in case you didn't catch on.