Drifting - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

frosty86 · 11-02-2012, 09:19 PM

I've heard arguments that FF/AWD is not drifting. So... Why is FF and AWD not considered drifting?

Wikipedia
Definition: Drifting - a driving technique where the driver intentionally oversteers, causing loss of traction in the rear wheels, while maintaining control from entry to exit of a corner. A car is drifting when the rear slip angle is greater than the front slip angle, to such an extent that often the front wheels are pointing in the opposite direction to the turn (e.g. car is turning left, wheels are pointed right or vice versa).

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOASjjpRnXk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOASjjpRnXk[/ame]
FF Civic

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HiTVo75LUM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HiTVo75LUM[/ame]
AWD Ford Fiesta

Both these footages meet the criteria of the definition. It also said nothing about drifting being solely for RWD. So Why?

wheelhaus · 11-02-2012, 10:21 PM

Elitism and convention. It's considered more proper and traditional to drift with RWD, but rally racing for example relies heavily on AWD drifting (or powersliding, etc, whatever name you want to slap on it).

FWD drifting IMO is sort of a "me too" thing, or a "Everyone said it was impossible, so I did it" thing. Flat spotting the rear tires that bad to me is an excessive means of proving a point. Although the FWD rally groups rely heavily on using the handbrake to rotate the car, I don't know if using the hand brake to rotate the car for gravel hairpin falls under the "drifting" context... FWD platforms were designed for manufacturing simplicity and cost, not performance, but that doesn't mean we won't find a way to wrench every possible ounce from it.

einzlr · 11-08-2012, 03:32 AM

^^^ You won't get a better answer than that! /thread

TAP Auto Parts · 11-08-2012, 07:56 PM

I wish I could find that video of Rhys Millen drifting irwindale back in 2003 in his EVO 7

Falken / Tein Drift Civic

IntotheOcean · 11-08-2012, 08:18 PM

Can someone explain to me the fire in the fords exhaust?
Probably a dumb question-reminded me of Tim Burtons batman

wheelhaus · 11-08-2012, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IntotheOcean

Can someone explain to me the fire in the fords exhaust?
Probably a dumb question-reminded me of Tim Burtons batman

You're prpbably seeing the effect of an antilag kit used on rally cars and some race cars that see lots of on/off throttle. It's a system that ignites additional fuel in the exhaust tract to maintain the turbo spool. From what I understand they are very hard on turbos and exhaust systems, but its ok because racecar.

blur · 11-08-2012, 08:41 PM

AWD drifting is cool as hell.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sdamAYnZls"]Alm Racing Promo 2010 - YouTube[/ame]

70NYD · 11-08-2012, 09:00 PM

The reason why FF isn't considered drifting is in the 1st post. Slip angle is the angle of a rolling tire direction of travel vs cars direction of travel
A ff needs to use the handbrake to initiate this or liftoff oversteer, and as such it cannot easily maintain it.
4wheel drifting is a freaking artform and is amazing. It's harder to maintain a direction of drift while the front wheels are tryin to pull you back and are doing the same speed as rear wheels

dorifuto · 11-14-2012, 10:04 PM

Front drive cars just ass drag. Nothing cool about that.

11-02-2012, 09:19 PM	#1
frosty86 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: '13 FR-S (Whiteout) Manual Location: Hawaii Posts: 247 Thanks: 73 Thanked 164 Times in 72 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Drifting I've heard arguments that FF/AWD is not drifting. So... Why is FF and AWD not considered drifting? Wikipedia Definition: Drifting - a driving technique where the driver intentionally oversteers, causing loss of traction in the rear wheels, while maintaining control from entry to exit of a corner. A car is drifting when the rear slip angle is greater than the front slip angle, to such an extent that often the front wheels are pointing in the opposite direction to the turn (e.g. car is turning left, wheels are pointed right or vice versa). [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOASjjpRnXk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOASjjpRnXk[/ame] FF Civic [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HiTVo75LUM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HiTVo75LUM[/ame] AWD Ford Fiesta Both these footages meet the criteria of the definition. It also said nothing about drifting being solely for RWD. So Why?

11-08-2012, 03:32 AM	#3
einzlr Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: several Location: norcal Posts: 903 Thanks: 421 Thanked 286 Times in 223 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	^^^ You won't get a better answer than that! /thread __________________ Asphalt FR-S MT (future) '05 Hyundai Accent; '01 BMW M Coupe; '01 BMW M Roadster (for sale); '99 BMW Z3 Coupe 2.8l (for sale) "Simplicate and add lightness." - Gordon Hooton

11-08-2012, 08:41 PM	#7
blur ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: E36 5.7 V8 Location: Bronx, NYC Posts: 1,573 Thanks: 194 Thanked 198 Times in 112 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	AWD drifting is cool as hell. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sdamAYnZls"]Alm Racing Promo 2010 - YouTube[/ame] __________________ I wish I was cool enough to have an FR-S

11-08-2012, 09:00 PM	#8
70NYD Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Drives: RX8 S1 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 1,396 Thanks: 49 Thanked 50 Times in 38 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The reason why FF isn't considered drifting is in the 1st post. Slip angle is the angle of a rolling tire direction of travel vs cars direction of travel A ff needs to use the handbrake to initiate this or liftoff oversteer, and as such it cannot easily maintain it. 4wheel drifting is a freaking artform and is amazing. It's harder to maintain a direction of drift while the front wheels are tryin to pull you back and are doing the same speed as rear wheels __________________

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11-02-2012, 10:21 PM	#2
wheelhaus Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 BRZ, 2020 KTM Super Duke 1290R Location: Denver Posts: 1,788 Thanks: 714 Thanked 1,141 Times in 624 Posts Mentioned: 49 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Elitism and convention. It's considered more proper and traditional to drift with RWD, but rally racing for example relies heavily on AWD drifting (or powersliding, etc, whatever name you want to slap on it). FWD drifting IMO is sort of a "me too" thing, or a "Everyone said it was impossible, so I did it" thing. Flat spotting the rear tires that bad to me is an excessive means of proving a point. Although the FWD rally groups rely heavily on using the handbrake to rotate the car, I don't know if using the hand brake to rotate the car for gravel hairpin falls under the "drifting" context... FWD platforms were designed for manufacturing simplicity and cost, not performance, but that doesn't mean we won't find a way to wrench every possible ounce from it.

11-08-2012, 07:56 PM	#4
TAP Auto Parts Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: FRS Location: Las Vegas Posts: 303 Thanks: 442 Thanked 104 Times in 74 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I wish I could find that video of Rhys Millen drifting irwindale back in 2003 in his EVO 7 Falken / Tein Drift Civic

11-08-2012, 08:18 PM	#5
IntotheOcean Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: Sexy Frs Firestorm M/T Location: Strong Island Posts: 1,546 Thanks: 3,272 Thanked 1,636 Times in 760 Posts Mentioned: 53 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Can someone explain to me the fire in the fords exhaust? Probably a dumb question-reminded me of Tim Burtons batman

11-14-2012, 10:04 PM	#9
dorifuto If in doubt,flat out Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: 2013 brz Location: colorado Posts: 260 Thanks: 56 Thanked 211 Times in 75 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Front drive cars just ass drag. Nothing cool about that.

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