Whiteline rear subframe bushing install...

[Captain Snooze]

I see the value in firmer suspension bushes. I'm just not sure if limiting diff movement will translate into any real or perceived benefit.

[F1point4]

Originally Posted by fl_speed001

Getting ready to order the Whiteline shifter bushing and am seeing these rear subframe bushings as well. Seems a decent bang for buck upgrade for improved feel. Wondering about difficulty of install, would imagine rear subframe has to be at least unbolted to get these in place.

Short version, should I order the subframe bushings at the same time and save on the shipping or is install a really involved PITA?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20920


20121028-WhitelineRearCrossmemberBushingsDIY-01 by VictorN07, on Flickr

[fl_speed001]

Thanks for the detailed install how to...doesn't look too bad at all and I'm glad your impressions with the kit are so positive. Will probably be tackling this in the next few weeks - still waiting for the break in to be over to start modding!

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

A lot of sports cars are that way. Seems like the factory engineers are afraid of offending someone and go right to the soft rubber stuff so that you won't feel or hear anything.

actually they are sending you out in a car where everything has compliance so that you don't get yourself into trouble

if engineers built sports cars according to engineering rules you would be purchasing a saloon version of a formula 1 car, except it would be so capable that you will die the first time you went to the track.

[Apex Chase]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

actually they are sending you out in a car where everything has compliance so that you don't get yourself into trouble

if engineers built sports cars according to engineering rules you would be purchasing a saloon version of a formula 1 car, except it would be so capable that you will die the first time you went to the track.

Your logic is flawed. Good bushings will not make your car dangerous, they will make it more responsive and predictable. If anything it is be safer because the platform is more stable especially at the edge of the envelope. The reason they use such soft bushings is because they are cheap and people think that a numb car that doesn't let you feel anything means it is a good car.

Speaking of bushings, saw these from Energy Suspension at SEMA last week.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

Your logic is flawed. Good bushings will not make your car dangerous, they will make it more responsive and predictable. If anything it is be safer because the platform is more stable especially at the edge of the envelope. The reason they use such soft bushings is because they are cheap and people think that a numb car that doesn't let you feel anything means it is a good car.

my logic is not flawed, a highly responsive sports car will create a situation where an inexperienced driver will gain too much confidence, reducing their limit threshold and increase their chance at an accident.

a car that is slow to respond (soft bushings, soft springs, dulled out steering) will be slow in the hands of an inexperienced driver, for all the better, it generally takes a certain amount of experience to commit to a high-speed turn in a sluggish car.

[Apex Chase]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

my logic is not flawed, a highly responsive sports car will create a situation where an inexperienced driver will gain too much confidence

a car that is slow to respond (soft bushings, soft springs, dulled out steering) will be slow in the hands of an inexperienced driver, for all the better, it generally takes a certain amount of experience to commit to a high-speed turn in a sluggish car

It is a great theory, it is just not a correct one.

[canyons]

thank you for this excellent DIY !