Production Toyota FT-86 Details and Design Previewed by Toyota Sports Vehicle Boss

[Sabastian]

Originally Posted by KevinDuMa

^Eh. I don't want to believe any of the speculations until I get hard statements from Toyota/Scion...and that doesn't look like it'll happen til' December. 27k for the Fr-s is ridiculous I'm sticking to my 23k at the most.

My girlfriend's aunt works for Toyota of Mckinney here in Texas and the only solid information she has for me is that it'll be out by next year.

Remember, the speculated price is $27k fully loaded. Depending on the cost of available options, the starting price may very well be around $23k.

[82mm 4g63]

Originally Posted by MiguelAE86

I thought this was quite interesting, it's from one of our fellow members.

Don't perpetuate the

[sfwg]

Originally Posted by Sabastian

Remember, the speculated price is $27k fully loaded. Depending on the cost of available options, the starting price may very well be around $23k.

id be happy w/ a bare bones version:manual windows,locks,mirrors,no cruise control.=less shit that could break and less weight

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Random_Art

So true... also handy to drop caltrops in the event of pursuit.

Or get rid of evidence ......

[MiguelAE86]

$23k max? that's insane, $27k seems reasonable with fully loaded perhaps a larger wheel option and some other doo-dads that raise the price significantly. but regardless, the range of $23k-$26/7k seems reasonable for this car I think.

EDIT: Wait, the original post is $27k in CANADIAN dollars! oh i feel stupid now...

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by MiguelAE86

$23k max? that's insane, $27k seems reasonable with fully loaded perhaps a larger wheel option and some other doo-dads that raise the price significantly. but regardless, the range of $23k-$26/7k seems reasonable for this car I think.

EDIT: Wait, the original post is $27k in CANADIAN dollars! oh i feel stupid now...

Don't think too much with your heart on this and justify high prices because we think the car will be awesome, or else Toyota will believe that they can add a 'fanboi tax' to this.

From a pure manufacturing point of view, how would this car be more expensive than a tC? Add a driveshaft and rear LSD-equipped diff. That's it. tC has a similarly powerful 4 cylinder, similar suspension, similar brakes, choice of two 6 speeds, maybe even bigger wheels (spy pics make the FT86 look like it's on 16's). Plus development and parts costs are distributed with Subaru.

We have to stop getting excited about how Toyota finally arranged and packaged the parts in a form that is no longer a boring commuter appliance. Yes they did it, but should we be willing to accept a $7k price premium on those parts because of it? No way.

And we have to stop justifying a high price because we think the car will be 'low volume'. It will only be low volume if they price it to BE low volume. Most of the components will likely come from high-volume sources, so that excuse doesn't fly.

This car should be MAX out at $23k if Toyota is serious about injecting enthusiasm back into the brand. They will make money on volume then.


(I think some thread merging is in order...)

[Spiritama]

You'd be able to see the expression on the ricers face as you run him over....

[Sabastian]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Don't think too much with your heart on this and justify high prices because we think the car will be awesome, or else Toyota will believe that they can add a 'fanboi tax' to this.

From a pure manufacturing point of view, how would this car be more expensive than a tC? Add a driveshaft and rear LSD-equipped diff. That's it. tC has a similarly powerful 4 cylinder, similar suspension, similar brakes, choice of two 6 speeds, maybe even bigger wheels (spy pics make the FT86 look like it's on 16's). Plus development and parts costs are distributed with Subaru.

We have to stop getting excited about how Toyota finally arranged and packaged the parts in a form that is no longer a boring commuter appliance. Yes they did it, but should we be willing to accept a $7k price premium on those parts because of it? No way.

And we have to stop justifying a high price because we think the car will be 'low volume'. It will only be low volume if they price it to BE low volume. Most of the components will likely come from high-volume sources, so that excuse doesn't fly.

This car should be MAX out at $23k if Toyota is serious about injecting enthusiasm back into the brand. They will make money on volume then.


(I think some thread merging is in order...)

Keep dreaming. There's no way that a loaded FR-S will cost the same as a loaded Civic.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Sabastian

Keep dreaming. There's no way that a loaded FR-S will cost the same as a loaded Civic.

That's not what he meant. You are taking it out of context.

[Spaceywilly]

We have to stop getting excited about how Toyota finally arranged and packaged the parts in a form that is no longer a boring commuter appliance. Yes they did it, but should we be willing to accept a $7k price premium on those parts because of it? No way.

a) there is a bigger market for the tC, which means they'll sell more, which means they can sell it cheaper because the development costs are spread over more units. The excuse does fly, in fact it is basic economics. Are you one of the people who complain because the iPhone only costs $100 to build?

b) I would gladly pay 7k over the tC if it has a nicer interior and a better engine. I don't even think it's a fair comparison, since I would never consider buying a tC, or any other FWD car, new, but I am considering the frs. If it is cheap enough that I can afford it, and is something that I want, then I'll buy it. I don't really care if there are FWD cars that are cheaper, I don't want those. Besides, not enough is known about the car yet to speculate about these kinds of things. For all we know it could cost the same as the tC.

Don't get me wrong, if this thing does max out at $23k I will be doing cartwheels. But I expect we'll be paying around 21 for a base and 25ish for a reasonably optioned frs.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

a) there is a bigger market for the tC, which means they'll sell more, which means they can sell it cheaper because the development costs are spread over more units. The excuse does fly, in fact it is basic economics. Are you one of the people who complain because the iPhone only costs $100 to build?

b) I would gladly pay 7k over the tC if it has a nicer interior and a better engine. I don't even think it's a fair comparison, since I would never consider buying a tC, or any other FWD car, new, but I am considering the frs. Besides, not enough is known about the car yet to speculate about these kinds of things. For all we know it could cost the same as the tC.

a) and yet how many tCs does Scion sell a year? With a partnership with Subaru, 1/2 of the R&D is covered. So development costs are split and they can sell it for less. There is nothing special in and of itself with this car. Just a light weight boxer 4 with RWD and a LSD. So your excuses don't fly.

b) I wouldn't pay $7k over the tC for just a slightly nicer interior. Maybe $1k for a nicer interior. Boxer 4 engine itself isn't worth a $5-6k upgrade. Maybe another $1k with the D-4S and Yamaha's help. $2k at most if they really surprise us.

[enc0re]

Wishful thinking. Products for brand enthusiasts face a lower elasticity of demand. Translation: charging a higher price and selling fewer units is the profit maximizing move. It's the same reason that BMW charges more for a 3-Series than GM for a Malibu. The production cost aren't nearly as different as the price points.

p.s.: I don't know how to embed YouTube on these boards. Anybody want to teach me?

[Sabastian]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

a) and yet how many tCs does Scion sell a year? With a partnership with Subaru, 1/2 of the R&D is covered. So development costs are split and they can sell it for less. There is nothing special in and of itself with this car. Just a light weight boxer 4 with RWD and a LSD. So your excuses don't fly.

I don't think it works that way. Toyota is (presumably) only footing half of the bill, but they also have to split the sales with Subaru as well.

[rL-gT]

2600 lbs and 197 hp
$27 000 confirmed on paper by my peeps deep inside Toyota.