Who's got the best ECU tune?

[fuddbutter]

Over here in Aust we have MRT performance that does a tune also, unlike the other tuners though, they will cover the cars warrenty if anything does go wrong.

[msile]

Originally Posted by dwx

There was a post which compared the FA20 and Visconti Stage 1 93 tunes on a dyno, but I can't find the thread. I don't remember exactly what mods were done to the vehicle but the FA20 off the shelf tune ran a bit too lean IMHO above 5000 RPM. That's why it is important at least right now to get datalogs and let the tuner make some adjustments. Out of a number of folks posting dyno plots with a Visconti 93 tune I haven't seen any with an AFR which looked unsafe at all.

I would always advocate to spend the extra money for a tune on a dyno or a good road tune dedicated to your car, especially if you have a bunch of modifications.

I have my FA20 tune dyno posted. No issues with AFR. Flat and steady across the RPM range.

[JoeBoxer]

I have the Visconti stage 1 and FA20club Stage 2 and with my mods and auto transmission I prefer the fa20 tune, it is more responsive and feels stronger all the way through. I attribute this to fa20 having an automatic shop car and being able to test on their own car. If you have an auto it's worth giving them a try in my opinion. I plan to test both on the dyno soon on the same day with nothing else changed so we will know for sure then.

[invisage]

Originally Posted by fuddbutter

Over here in Aust we have MRT performance that does a tune also, unlike the other tuners though, they will cover the cars warrenty if anything does go wrong.

That's because MRT charge 50% more than their US counterparts and can afford to offer a warranty

[JPxM0Dz]

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer

I have the Visconti stage 1 and FA20club Stage 2 and with my mods and auto transmission I prefer the fa20 tune, it is more responsive and feels stronger all the way through. I attribute this to fa20 having an automatic shop car and being able to test on their own car. If you have an auto it's worth giving them a try in my opinion. I plan to test both on the dyno soon on the same day with nothing else changed so we will know for sure then.

But what if I have a 6spd LOL

j/k

[JoeBoxer]

Originally Posted by JPxM0Dz

But what if I have a 6spd LOL

j/k

Still try FA20 lol

[RYU]

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer

I have the Visconti stage 1 and FA20club Stage 2 and with my mods and auto transmission I prefer the fa20 tune, it is more responsive and feels stronger all the way through. I attribute this to fa20 having an automatic shop car and being able to test on their own car. If you have an auto it's worth giving them a try in my opinion. I plan to test both on the dyno soon on the same day with nothing else changed so we will know for sure then.

And what I have is a 6AT like you

Correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems like FA20club is the only ECU tuning vendor that has seriously given the AT serious attention. I believe Visconti is still "working" on his and have not heard back from Perrin on their AT tune.

[xjohnx]

I have Visconti's Pump Gas Tune, Visconti's E85 tune and access to a dyno. I don't know if any of you guys have connections with FA20Club, but if they'd be willing to send me their flashes for testing purposes (and we can come to a consensus on testing procedures) I would be more than happy to cover the dyno bill to provide comparisons. I could do both pump and E85 tests as well.

For reference, my the only power mods other than ecutek on my car is the nameless overpipe/downpipe/highflow cat combo, nameless axeback, and K&N panel filter. It's a 6MT BRZ Ltd.

The offer is on the table. Would seem to answer this question pretty easily.

[draggin_az]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

I have Visconti's Pump Gas Tune, Visconti's E85 tune and access to a dyno. I don't know if any of you guys have connections with FA20Club, but if they'd be willing to send me their flashes for testing purposes (and we can come to a consensus on testing procedures) I would be more than happy to cover the dyno bill to provide comparisons. I could do both pump and E85 tests as well.

For reference, my the only power mods other than ecutek on my car is the nameless overpipe/downpipe/highflow cat combo, nameless axeback, and K&N panel filter. It's a 6MT BRZ Ltd.

The offer is on the table. Would seem to answer this question pretty easily.

I have the FA20Club stage II 93 octane tune. maybe we ca meet up or something.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by draggin_az

I have the FA20Club stage II 93 octane tune. maybe we ca meet up or something.

Possibly, wouldn't do much to provide a true comparison though. Ideally, you'd want the tunes dyno'd on the same car, same day, etc. Just a thought.

[JPxM0Dz]

Originally Posted by draggin_az

I have the FA20Club stage II 93 octane tune. maybe we ca meet up or something.

Did you do any datalogs for FA20CLUB after your tune ?

[draggin_az]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

Possibly, wouldn't do much to provide a true comparison though. Ideally, you'd want the tunes dyno'd on the same car, same day, etc. Just a thought.

ah I see

Originally Posted by JPxM0Dz

Did you do any datalogs for FA20CLUB after your tune ?

I haven't read up on how to do data logs yet. I just flashed my car yesterday.

[FA20Club.com]

Originally Posted by Foobar

This point has already been made, but I do want to pitch in and agree wholeheartedly with brichard0625 and gmookher - get a tune. Who you get it from right now isn't as important, since they are all coming from ECUTek and you'll get the RaceROM features and basic stage 1 tune either way. All three of these players will tweak the map further after receiving datalogs from your specific vehicle.

Visconti and Perrin are both ECUTek Master Tuners. Not sure what difference that actually means at the end of the day, but since ECUTek went ouf ot its way to make that distinction, I figured I would throw that out there. Maybe it just means they can sell you some additional products or services that may not even be relevant to our specific platform.

All three of the ECUTek Tuners that have tunes for our platform have proven to be pretty reliable as far as customer service is concerned.

Yes, Visconti has a lot going on right now, so you can decide if that comes into your equation or not, but like others have said, the man is an absolute machine and goes after tuning with a tenacity unlike what I've seen before. If you don't need a whole lot of hand holding, and you're patient on getting his attention (if needed), then you cannot possibly go wrong with Visconti.

Perrin has also shown promising work and has satisfied customers going to bat for him before he's even officially released the product for mass consumption. I've had some offline conversations with him regarding the work they're doing and I've already invested in some of their other products. If you need reassurances that your product/service is backed by a reputable company with resources available to handle your needs, then Perrin is the way to go.

FA20club.com came on to the scene after both Visconti and Perrin, but they've got quite a few vocal customers that have provided positive reviews. It appears that they're pretty flexible, very responsive, and have a delivery model that puts Dominos Pizza to shame. I haven't had any opportunity to deal with them, but from what I've seen through others, you can't go wrong with these guys either. They may not have the history or ECUTek Master designation, but their track record is proven by the feedback provided on these forums by some of our peers.

Cost-wise they're all about the same, so as far as I'm concerned, you can't go wrong with any of them. Just do it.

Ill clear up the Master tuner issue. Basically is you have NOT been in the EcuTek family for a couple years then you cant apply for it. Perrin was approved immediately because lets be honest who would deny Perrin's request. The only distinction is that a Master Tuner can purchase cables directly from Ecutek whereas myself has to purchase from one of the 5 Master Tuners state side. They operate as a hub but the other Ecutek dealers. It has nothing to do with the quality of the work the rest of us put out.

[FA20Club.com]

I would like to state that our car sleeps on the dyno. I have installed countless setups and tweak my tune from day one. A few of the early purchasers know this because i would send them updated maps without them even requesting anything from me. I have spent years tuning applications from road race to drag vehicles. There are only two things i do all day and thats weld and tune. Most of you say our service is great. I strive for that. I answer emails all day weekends midnight doesnt matter to me. You can shoot me question anytime and ill get back to you pretty fast.

I make all the effort I can to provide a balanced tune for everyone. We originally purchased the Auto specifically because it was the better of the two vehicles when it comes to R&D. When you think about it most options will carry over to the manual with the exception that the manual will yield a bit more power. When we built our turbo kit there were obvious differences on the transmission size that delegated we make adjustments. That was a prime example of why we went Auto initially. Our vehicle was purchased strictly for R&D we didnt ask a customer to loan us their car. WE tune , test and tune some more. My goal is to find the limits of every aspect of this car so the customer can benefit.

Visconti is a good guy i have nothing against him. But what you guys have to remember is that he was the only Suby based Master Tuner in the states when the Ecutek software was being beta tested so he was the original test pilot. No other vendors were allowed to purchase software at that time and he took the opportunity to get a head start on the rest of us. Once the software was released you can see there are more options out there now. Choose who you may to grab a tune from....but in the end grab a tune.....