Looking for a Frs for R&D on a turbo and supercharger

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by sportsguy83

Guys, they already released an exhaust for our cars. Not advocating or anything, but at least, they DO have a shop and they do exist

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12587

Thanks! and on the exhaust we have been revamping it for the past couple of months. We have changed a good little bit the tips now have a nice 15 degree slant cut rolled tip with options of 4" and 3.5"tips (no more dual staggered tip!!!!!) (We really just did that for that one customer and then wanted to see what everone thought). Everything is tig welded on the kits and look pretty! lol anyways thanks again for the post!!

[Theothanatologist]

Mmmm...may have to drop by.

I'm over in Marvin.

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Theothanatologist

Mmmm...may have to drop by.

I'm over in Marvin.

Swing in anytime!!! We are open M-F 9-5 ( We stay a little later though) and Sat. by appointments......but if you want to come down on a sat. Just call or email and let us know and we will be here for you. If you need directions or anything just hit us up. The shop is about 20-25 mins from Marvin.

[RedRocket]

Hi, Can we take all the risks with your car, and you pay for it? hah.. I'm sorry but I would HIGHLY advise against this..

What's in it for the person letting people LEARN on their car? A few bucks in labor at the risk of several thousands?

Sorry but saving $1000 bucks on labor is NOT my idea of a deal, when your R&D'ing.

Please fellow Owners beware... Treat your cars right.

Watch their video... Look at the welds on their prototype... Look at the intake. are these the guys you want working on your car

[gmookher]

what history do your firm have in tuning cars? boxers? subarus? thanks

[knapper]

I really mean nothing hateful by this, but come on ...

1. It costs all of about $75/year (including registration, private business naming, domain name etc.) to get a website.
2. If you were smart enough to create a profile on here, you can build a website using Wordpress Themes, or pay $35 for a premium that is practically made for you.
3. Go and buy a digital camera to heavily document your work and business practices (a decent DSLR would suffice, and can be had for around $450)

If you have ten years of experience, I am sure that you have a great customer base, and history of your work.

So, at the end of the day, you are out $560 +/- a few coins. If you can't afford that kind of capital malnourishment ... how are you in business? And how can you expect people to trust you with shipping their brand new $30,000 car for "testing" purposes.

I understand that not every shop in the world can afford to go and purchase an FR-S/BRZ, but coming on to a public forum, heavily populated with reputable shops, can you really expect great feedback using a Yahoo.com email address and a "just trust us" Facebook page?

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by RedRocket

Hi, Can we take all the risks with your car, and you pay for it? hah.. I'm sorry but I would HIGHLY advise against this..

What's in it for the person letting people LEARN on their car? A few bucks in labor at the risk of several thousands?

Sorry but saving $1000 bucks on labor is NOT my idea of a deal, when your R&D'ing.

Please fellow Owners beware... Treat your cars right.

Watch their video... Look at the welds on their prototype... Look at the intake. are these the guys you want working on your car

Look, we put this post up for someone looking to save a bunch of money and wants a well made turbo kit. We realize that this isnt for everyone, so if its not for you thats fine but its uncalled for when you jump on a forum and bad mouth a company that is looking to do the FT86 club a service. We posted our phone number as well as email so that people can call and speak to us and see if this plan works for them.

We are a small company that just want to be able to help others out and let everyone have fun doing it. If I felt that we would just be LEARNING on a car then we wouldnt take a project on....SINCE this is how I feed MY FAMILY!

OUR CUSTOMERS always leave with a smile and happy.

Please feel free to call or email us and see if you wanna change your mind and retract this ridiculous post

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by knapper

I really mean nothing hateful by this, but come on ...

1. It costs all of about $75/year (including registration, private business naming, domain name etc.) to get a website.
2. If you were smart enough to create a profile on here, you can build a website using Wordpress Themes, or pay $35 for a premium that is practically made for you.
3. Go and buy a digital camera to heavily document your work and business practices (a decent DSLR would suffice, and can be had for around $450)

If you have ten years of experience, I am sure that you have a great customer base, and history of your work.

So, at the end of the day, you are out $560 +/- a few coins. If you can't afford that kind of capital malnourishment ... how are you in business? And how can you expect people to trust you with shipping their brand new $30,000 car for "testing" purposes.

I understand that not every shop in the world can afford to go and purchase an FR-S/BRZ, but coming on to a public forum, heavily populated with reputable shops, can you really expect great feedback using a Yahoo.com email address and a "just trust us" Facebook page?

We have a website in the works. We are hoping to have it up shortly. I understand what you are saying, and I respect what you are saying. So I dont mean nothing by this either. But when did having a website define a business. For anyone that is in the area come to our shop, look at what we do, talk to us and see that we are a legit shop that doesnt bullshit and really just out here to make cars go fast and have fun doing it. And if someone wants to do this, awesome. You should also check out Scott Clark Toyota Scion, they are in the top 20 in the country in sales, tell me why they are sending cars to me? Like I said im not trying to start anything with you, this is more about letting everyone know what we are about. And trying to get the name out there!!

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by gmookher

what history do your firm have in tuning cars? boxers? subarus? thanks

We handle AEM standalone and or piggy back, big stuff 3, SCT, Sniper, Fast, UpREv, dont forget that a real tuner isnt just limited to one software.

[RedRocket]

Originally Posted by Toxic

Look, we put this post up for someone looking to save a bunch of money and wants a well made turbo kit. We realize that this isnt for everyone, so if its not for you thats fine but its uncalled for when you jump on a forum and bad mouth a company that is looking to do the FT86 club a service. We posted our phone number as well as email so that people can call and speak to us and see if this plan works for them.

We are a small company that just want to be able to help others out and let everyone have fun doing it. If I felt that we would just be LEARNING on a car then we wouldnt take a project on....SINCE this is how I feed MY FAMILY!

OUR CUSTOMERS always leave with a smile and happy.

Please feel free to call or email us and see if you wanna change your mind and retract this ridiculous post

Look man this is my opinion. You want to R&D on someone's car with Forced Induction.

For me, I've got to trust someone a whole lot. So, my statements stands. "Owners Beware"

Lets look at what you've done. Well nothing as far as FI so we'll have to look at your intake and exhaust.

The design would be ok with a heat shield but without, like other with this design it will negatively effect HP. Have you dyno'd it? No? Who markets part that are untested?

Lets look at the exhaust. The welds are rather sloppy. It may generate some HP but how do we know? It's a chambered muffler as you said. Any more info?

Nice sales pitch in your video(your no Billy Blanks though), but let your products speak for themselves. Do you think the form or function of your products match any others here?

I don't.

The amount of research you've put into your products scares me when we talk about Fi.

Nightmare scenario...
Well it looked/sounded like 6psi but it was 27 and now your pistons melted but good new we won't charge you for the labor of the $4000 with of parts we put in.

You never mentioned how many cars you sold turbos into. I don't mean hooking up your friends 1998 civic with knock off parts. I'm talking about paying customers as references?

When I look at shops to do FI. I see guys who have done scores of them. I don't want to be some bodies 6th turbo ever on a new plattform. Do you??

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by RedRocket

Look man this is my opinion. You want to R&D on someone's car with Forced Induction.

For me, I've got to trust someone a whole lot. So, my statements stands. "Owners Beware"

Lets look at what you've done. Well nothing as far as FI so we'll have to look at your intake and exhaust.

The design would be ok with a heat shield but without, like other with this design it will negatively effect HP. Have you dyno'd it? No? Who markets part that are untested?

Lets look at the exhaust. The welds are rather sloppy. It may generate some HP but how do we know? It's a chambered muffler as you said. Any more info?

Nice sales pitch in your video(your no Billy Blanks though), but let your products speak for themselves. Do you think the form or function of your products match any others here?

I don't.

The amount of research you've put into your products scares me when we talk about Fi.

Nightmare scenario...
Well it looked/sounded like 6psi but it was 27 and now your pistons melted but good new we won't charge you for the labor of the $4000 with of parts we put in.

You never mentioned how many cars you sold turbos into. I don't mean hooking up your friends 1998 civic with knock off parts. I'm talking about paying customers as references?

When I look at shops to do FI. I see guys who have done scores of them. I don't want to be some bodies 6th turbo ever on a new plattform. Do you??

Dude, seriously, move on. They are doing no harm here to anyone, they are just trying to get a car to R&D. You have NO IDEA how the whole situation will pan out. You have NO IDEA what type of contract will be signed between Toxic and the person who donors their car.

You already made your point, you don't like the approach, understood. Now, move on and leave them alone. They don't have to prove anything to you. They just have to prove it to the person who is looking to donor their car. Once they have the car and finish their product, go ahead and make an opinion on what they do.

I don't know this shop and I'm extremely far away from them, but what's the point on you continuing to question their practices when you know nothing about them?? Let them do their thing. When someone donors their car it won't affect your life in any way so just let it be.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by Toxic

We handle AEM standalone and or piggy back, big stuff 3, SCT, Sniper, Fast, UpREv, dont forget that a real tuner isnt just limited to one software.

Dp you have a dyno inhouse? What engine management were you planning on using for your BRZ turbo?

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

Dp you have a dyno inhouse? What engine management were you planning on using for your BRZ turbo?

No we dont have one in house.. I use Drivens dyno. Which is a shop that is 2 minutes from our shop. Got a good deal worked out with them.
And on the software we are going to be using UNICHIP.

[RedRocket]

Originally Posted by sportsguy83

Dude, seriously, move on. They are doing no harm here to anyone, they are just trying to get a car to R&D. You have NO IDEA how the whole situation will pan out. You have NO IDEA what type of contract will be signed between Toxic and the person who donors their car.

You already made your point, you don't like the approach, understood. Now, move on and leave them alone. They don't have to prove anything to you. They just have to prove it to the person who is looking to donor their car. Once they have the car and finish their product, go ahead and make an opinion on what they do.

I don't know this shop and I'm extremely far away from them, but what's the point on you continuing to question their practices when you know nothing about them?? Let them do their thing. When someone donors their car it won't affect your life in any way so just let it be.

That is my point. I said "Owner Beware". Not "Owners Avoid". Nothing much known about these guys, besides what they've shown us.

I would want to see their shop. I would want significant investment into a shop doing FI.

The point is OP said he wanted me to retract my "ridiculous" opinion. I cannot. I though this was what this forum was for. To share opinions and help fellow owners out. If they didn't want discussion about it maybe they should have posted this on their website(when it's up, OP said it would be soon) instead of a forum.