Thoughts and secrets of the FR-S/FT-86 Interior

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by bigbcraig

http://www.egmcartech.com/2011/01/19...start-systems/

sorry.

Basically, some engineering kids at a Swedish school made a program such that:
1. You get out of your car
2. Thief 1 follows you, has transponder that established communication with the key
3. Thief 2 receives data from thief 1 wirelessly
4. Thief 2 drives away

Make sense. Lol Thanks for the link. I don't agree with keyless starts either but its nice to informed now. haha

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Cheap feel? Rattles and squeaks? Never driven a VW GTI? The nicest interior for $24k.

The Mk6 GTI is the current interior design benchmark in the automotive industry for <$30k cars. VW spent a LOT of money not only on development but materials too. They were able to pull off such a great interior because most of the Mk6 underpinnings were paid for in the Mk5 chassis.

Don't expect the FR-S to have anywhere near as nice an interior. Toyota has a whole stack of regulations regarding how cheap [as in low-cost] their interiors must be to fit the corporate model. Toyoda-san himself will have to pull a hat-trick out of his arse to force his company to make an interior that approaches the level of the VW interior.

Even then, the FR-S has never been about posh accommodations, it's been about handling and machine/driver balance. Toyota's best bet [IMO] is to riff the Lotus Elise interior, which is all about making the most of the existing structure and spending almost nothing on materials and tooling.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

The Mk6 GTI is the current interior design benchmark in the automotive industry for <$30k cars. VW spent a LOT of money not only on development but materials too. They were able to pull off such a great interior because most of the Mk6 underpinnings were paid for in the Mk5 chassis.

Don't expect the FR-S to have anywhere near as nice an interior. Toyota has a whole stack of regulations regarding how cheap [as in low-cost] their interiors must be to fit the corporate model. Toyoda-san himself will have to pull a hat-trick out of his arse to force his company to make an interior that approaches the level of the VW interior.

Even then, the FR-S has never been about posh accommodations, it's been about handling and machine/driver balance. Toyota's best bet [IMO] is to riff the Lotus Elise interior, which is all about making the most of the existing structure and spending almost nothing on materials and tooling.

I don't think anyone would argue to expect the FT86 to have an interior close to the Mk6 GTI. Two totally different kinds of cars. VW prides itself with their interiors. However, the FT86 wont have the electrical and other mechanical issues the VWs have and force them to spend more time in the shop and less time on the road enjoying them.

[enc0re]

I <3 the steering wheel in the GTI. All steering wheels should be like that. Kudos to Scion for trying to imitate it but it's just not the same.

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[Mari0]

I like the old tC steering wheel, but maybe that's because I own one



The GTI steering wheel looks good, but I am not a big fan of the bajillion buttons

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

However, the FT86 wont have the electrical and other mechanical issues the VWs have and force them to spend more time in the shop and less time on the road enjoying them.

That's amazing that you preemptively know all the statistics for the FT86's reliability! Since it's on its own unproven platform and all, that's really impressive.

Originally Posted by tranzformer

VW prides itself with their interiors.

VW used to pride themselves on their interiors. Now they're only interested in making their cars cheap so they can be the #1 seller. The Mk6 Jetta, Passat, New New Bettle, and everything beyond is significantly cheaper looking and feeling than the pinnacles [Mk6 GTI, and current Audi A8]

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

That's amazing that you preemptively know all the statistics for the FT86's reliability! Since it's on its own unproven platform and all, that's really impressive.

Hey it is Toyota. Their R&D as well as quality control are top in the industry. I have no doubt in Toyota's ability to make this car reliable. NA engine, so no worries about a turbo engine and all its extra parts. Light weight, so less stress on brakes and other car parts. Built in Japan by people who pride themselves in their work. So yes, I can confidently say this car will pass the reliability of a VW and its electrical gremlins. I don't think you will have anyone on here argue the reliability of VW being better than a properly built Toyota car. Or do you want to take up that role? :happy0180:

Originally Posted by Ryephile

VW used to pride themselves on their interiors. Now they're only interested in making their cars cheap so they can be the #1 seller. The Mk6 Jetta, Passat, New New Bettle, and everything beyond is significantly cheaper looking and feeling than the pinnacles [Mk6 GTI, and current Audi A8]

I test drove a 2011 GTI a few weeks back. I thought the interior was really nice. I have no experience with any of the other models.

[Mari0]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Hey it is Toyota. Their R&D as well as quality control are top in the industry. I have no doubt in Toyota's ability to make this car reliable. NA engine, so no worries about a turbo engine and all its extra parts. Light weight, so less stress on brakes and other car parts. Built in Japan by people who pride themselves in their work. So yes, I can confidently say this car will pass the reliability of a VW and its electrical gremlins.I don't think you will have anyone on here argue the reliability of VW being better than a properly built Toyota car. Or do you want to take up that role? :happy0180:

Seriously. I am so glad my first car was a Toyota (Scion tC to be exact). Most reliable cars ever. While my friends had their cars in the repair shop (especially the one with a GTI), I was using the extra $ on mods.

We have 3 Toyotas in the family with over 100k miles on them (one close to 200k) that have not undergone any repairs other than regular maintenance.

[Aki]

Granted it's a bit big in the hands, but I love the old R32 GTR's steering wheel's design.



I've never been sold on VW interiors. The finish and feel is a class above its competition, but the actual quality... meh. Facings of the knobs and such start flaking off (Audi's do that as well).

Even if it's a Scion tC level of finish/refinement, I don't mind. Just as long as it has nice supportive seats and a small thick steering wheel.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by Aki

Granted it's a bit big in the hands, but I love the old R32 GTR's steering wheel's design.



I've never been sold on VW interiors. The finish and feel is a class above its competition, but the actual quality... meh. Facings of the knobs and such start flaking off (Audi's do that as well).

Even if it's a Scion tC level of finish/refinement, I don't mind. Just as long as it has nice supportive seats and a small thick steering wheel.

tbh most interiors do especially steering wheels. That is, unless the drive is the kind of pro that uses driving gloves all the time lol. The oils in peopleskin destroy upholstry unfortunately.

[KevinDuMa]

Anybody think the interior might resemble the new tC? All the Scion's pretty much have the same basic Pioneer square head unit so I'm thinking the Fr-s will probably have it as well. Also the air conditioning vents in the middle kind of look like those from the spy shots. I don't really think the tC's interior is that bad so if the Fr did end up looking close to that I'd be fine with it but one thing I'm really not feeling are the weird swirly seats the xB and tC have. Hopefully they throw in some plain bucket seats preferably black with red stitching...

Here's a pic of the 7.0 release series tC with push start on it as well:


The Spy shot:

[Aki]

The interior will probably just look like that spy shot, don't think it'd deviate much from that if at all unless they find some serious flaw.

[Mari0]

Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't you prefer to have the "push to star"t button next to the transmission lever rather than behind the steering wheel where you can't see it?

[KevinDuMa]

Originally Posted by Mari0

Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't you prefer to have the "push to star"t button next to the transmission lever rather than behind the steering wheel where you can't see it?

Usually it's next to the steering wheel isn't it? I've never seen it next to the transmission