Anybody here getting that greasy "$27k" feeling?

[Neutral_Eyes]

I'm cross-shopping the next gen Miata, and maybe the Veloster turbo, if they do something about the rear suspension. Until I actually get some wheel time with each of them, speculating on how it's going to be priced is silly.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by oneday

You don't know me. I don't know you. I don't care if you don't agree with me, nor do I care if you like me or not...just don't get personal, the e-bully BS is obviously something you are better than based on the general way you form posts and arguments.

Originally Posted by oneday

If you are considering the FR-S because you want a car that is fast down the 1/4 mile then you are an idiot.

I didn't get personal until you were the one calling me an idiot. Keep it civil and I will do the same. But once you start dishing, expect the same back at you.

[oneday]

Ah, I wasn't calling you an idiot...that was a collective "you"...not actually directed at you specifically.

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

You are wrong. Many on here have mentioned waiting to hear about the new WRX before deciding on the FT86. If the rumors about the next gen WRX are true, I might even wait for it. Mustang is definitely going to be cross shopped, especially by those that want the hp/tq for straigtline performance. The MS3 is probably the best bang for the buck under $24k for a fun daily driver. So yes, all of those cars will be cross shopped along with the GTI, GC 2.0T...etc.

I already have a WRX that I paid cash for a long time ago and I'm now thinking of getting this as a second car. The new WRX won't be out until 2014 so I'm thinking I'll be ready to trade my WRX for it by then, and keep the ft86, maybe even have it paid off by then. Then, a few years after that, I'll trade in the ft86 for another RWD car once the WRX is paid off, maybe a 3 series coupe or Cayman. The idea is that when the payments are finished for one car, I get a new car, but also keep the car that has just been payed off for a few years.

I've never considered buying any of those other cars you mentioned. They might be better "bang for your buck," but they are all either too big or wrong wheel drive. I want something that handles like a go kart, but that I can still drive to work. The ft86 is a nice compromise between the Miata, which is a little too bare-bones for me, and those other cars which just aren't built for handling. The Miata and MCS are the only cars I can think of that give you great handling in a road car, but both of those are off my list for other reasons. The ft86 should handle just as well as the Miata and MCS, without being... well... a Miata or MCS. If it is priced at $22k I'll be first in line at my Suby dealer to order one.

[RRnold]

I say about 25K OTD with invoice is probably going to float around 21,995!

I doubt this car is going to have the luxury equipment that will drive up the price; leather, BT, XM, nav, alcantara accents, heated seats, 6 spk w/a sub etc.

[bofa]

Originally Posted by RRnold

I say about 25K OTD with invoice is probably going to float around 21,995!

I doubt this car is going to have the luxury equipment that will drive up the price; leather, BT, XM, nav, alcantara accents, heated seats, 6 spk w/a sub etc.

Let's hope. Give me a poor man's Exige. :happy0180:

[oneday]

Originally Posted by bofa

Let's hope. Give me a poor man's Exige. :happy0180:

I'm hoping that this is more of a Miata Coupe that Mazda never produced. The Exige/Elise it too bare bones for daily duty; terrible ingress/egress and an interior that can make some race cars feel over-appointed.

Either way, it's a win for driving enthusiasts!

[tranzformer]

Speaking only for NA, Scion's most expensive car is the tC and runs $18,995 with the manual. Throw in an extra $1000 for the auto. Scion prides itself on its budget offerings. Now for us, we all understand the difference of this FT86/FR-S project over just any other car. However, average Joe and Betty probably won't. So sure, the FR-S should be a bit more expensive than the $19k tC, but how much? $3-4k seems like a fair starting point but even then average Joe and Betty could argue that is a lot to pay extra over the tC. For us, as enthusiasts I think we would happily fork over that extra $3-4k if it provides a great feeling behind the wheel, a great engine, nice interior...bla bla bla everything we have been talking about. But if you start asking for $6-8k over the tC ($25-27k) I think you will not only lose average Joe and Betty but also us the enthusiasts. Scion/Toyota really need to get this in the low to mid $20k range. Low 20s if the car is very basic would be acceptable. Toyota/Subaru should know that if they did their market research and read the forums. No one will pay +$27k for a Scion. Well maybe no one is too harsh since there would probably be a fanboy or two out there who would. But let's just say no one with common sense would.

[bofa]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

No one will pay +$27k for a Scion. Well maybe no one is too harsh since there would probably be a fanboy or two out there who would. But let's just say no one with common sense would.

Nah they will sit on that price for the release series...

I agree that low 20s would be a great starting point. The tC 7.0 RS (21.6k) has me a bit worried though that they will get to the mid 20s for this.

Edit - that said, I might be more willing to pay 25 for the Subaru version, assuming there are noticeable differences.

[madfast]

imo 23k is about right. 25-26k with popular options such as an upgraded speaker system, body kit, etc. sounds about right as well.

it would be suicide to sell it without AC or no power windows and doors so that's basically a given that the car will have it.

the thing about the car is that it can use the "it's an enthusiast car" excuse to cut features and sell it cheaper than if it were loaded with gadgets. to us enthusiasts, we embrace it. to the average joe it may seem spartan, however it also ups the "cool factor". and that may actually be a selling point. depends on how they market it.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by oneday

I'm hoping that this is more of a Miata Coupe that Mazda never produced. Either way, it's a win for driving enthusiasts!

Or Mazda stepping it up and answering to Toyota by making a lightweight coupe! Now that would be sick!!

[oneday]

As has been said in this thread already, $30k is the new $20k...so expecting this be in the low $20s is naive. I fully expect the FR-S to be around $25K out the door with the 6-MT, while the 6-ST will probably tack on another $1-1.5K. If the flappy-paddles are well done I will likely opt for that.

At that price it will have A/C, a basic 6-speaker CD/iPod stereo (sans electronic trunk ballast) and _maybe_ power windows (I only like power windows because the roller handles get in the way when on the track). Any body kit and unproven, non-functional wing-type abomination _better_ be an option--and one that I can elect not to have (unlike some cars that claim an option but never make a car without it [Evo MR and the A/C delete]).

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by oneday

As has been said in this thread already, $30k is the new $20k...so expecting this be in the low $20s is naive. I fully expect the FR-S to be around $25K out the door with the 6-MT, while the 6-ST will probably tack on another $1-1.5K. If the flappy-paddles are well done I will likely opt for that.

One question; when you say out the door for $25k are you saying TTL, so really around $23k? Not sure what you mean by out the door.

So in your honest opinion what makes this car "worth" $25k? Also not sure what you mean $30k is the new $20k? I know inflation and all that jazz, but look at this;

Honda Civic Si: $22,205
Mazdaspeed3: $23,700
VW GTI: $23,695
Ford Mustang V6: $22,605
Hyundai GC 2.0T: $22,250
Mini Cooper S: $23,700
Mazda Miata: $23,110

Average price: $23,037.86

So if you are saying $25k out the door to include TTL (so that would be around $23k) I could buy that. However I can't buy a MSRP of $25k as being the low end. That is a full $2,000 over the other cars that it will be compared to/cross shopped.

What does this car include over the others that makes it a full $2k more expensive? No turbo that is for sure. I just can't believe $25k will be the low end. I see that as the upper end with it fully loaded (for those that get the Toyota/Subaru version, not the Scion). If $30k is the new $20k, then the cars I listed above must be the old $10k cars.

[SUB-FT86]

That 30k is the new 20k is bullshit. Keep telling yourself that. So that would mean a base Mustang V6 and GC 2.0t would be the new 13k right? LMFAO @ the logics of some of you guys!