BRZ vs FRS - The Debate

[einzlr]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i get that but you cant say that the manual misses the point of this car because some people miss the auto. i am one of those people but opinions arent transferable from person to person

Yeah the to each his own thing was pretty much my point :happy0180:

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by fatoni

haha how old are you? this was like 6 months ago

i get that but you cant say that the manual misses the point of this car because some people miss the auto. i am one of those people but opinions arent transferable from person to person

I'm 18, you know i meant when Death was originally playing, right?

[stalon320]

Love the creature comforts on the BRZ, but absolutely HATE that spoiler.. although someone on here posted a DIY install of a duckbill spoiler on a BRZ.. sooo.. hmmmm lol

[oldpueblo]

Originally Posted by slowbrz

simply put , manual enhances the driving experience; not required to have fun

But if you are tired of playing the shifting game, being forced to play it doesn't enhance but detracts from "the driving experience" if you don't want to shift. I recall watching several reviews where people stated they were surprised at how good the auto was and that its shifts were very well timed. So if I don't care about doing burnouts or racing everyone at a red light or taking the car to the track, do I really need the manual?

[slowbrz]

Originally Posted by oldpueblo

But if you are tired of playing the shifting game, being forced to play it doesn't enhance but detracts from "the driving experience" if you don't want to shift. I recall watching several reviews where people stated they were surprised at how good the auto was and that its shifts were very well timed. So if I don't care about doing burnouts or racing everyone at a red light or taking the car to the track, do I really need the manual?

driven stick for over 7 years and never been tired of shifting; just tired of clutching in traffic. i have an auto daily driver but i still wish it was manual although i dont mind much since its a corolla. i never said the auto wasnt good; manual is just better. and what makes you think manual drivers do burnouts and try to race? i never do that

[SkitterSkotter]

I love having the manual not only because it is more fun to drive, but I am able to get the most out of every drop of gas. I like going fast just as much as I love hypermiling...current tank is at 38.7mpg over the last 370 miles...so awesome. Moreover, manuals are lighter, smaller, more simple, and are just kind of required for a sports car.

I'm sure the automatic is good, but it sadly isn't a true double clutch...just a torque converted standard.

[oldpueblo]

Originally Posted by slowbrz

driven stick for over 7 years and never been tired of shifting; just tired of clutching in traffic. i have an auto daily driver but i still wish it was manual although i dont mind much since its a corolla. i never said the auto wasnt good; manual is just better. and what makes you think manual drivers do burnouts and try to race? i never do that

You're sharing anecdotal evidence. Manual is not better if the things that manual "makes better" are the things you don't want or care about. I could easily say Auto is better because I don't want to shift and it's a higher rated MPG. What's good for you isn't good for everyone.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by SkitterSkotter

I love having the manual not only because it is more fun to drive, but I am able to get the most out of every drop of gas. I like going fast just as much as I love hypermiling...current tank is at 38.7mpg over the last 370 miles...so awesome. Moreover, manuals are lighter, smaller, more simple, and are just kind of required for a sports car.

I'm sure the automatic is good, but it sadly isn't a true double clutch...just a torque converted standard.

more and more often autos are getting more and more effecient. its not uncommon to see the autos getting better gas mileage than the comparable manuals

[slowbrz]

Originally Posted by oldpueblo

You're sharing anecdotal evidence. Manual is not better if the things that manual "makes better" are the things you don't want or care about. I could easily say Auto is better because I don't want to shift and it's a higher rated MPG. What's good for you isn't good for everyone.

i didnt think i would have to mention it but i implied aggressive, fun driving through the mountains, or even the streets. sure the auto is better at gas and in traffic but this is the frs/brz afterall..

[oldpueblo]

Originally Posted by slowbrz

i didnt think i would have to mention it but i implied aggressive, fun driving through the mountains, or even the streets. sure the auto is better at gas and in traffic but this is the frs/brz afterall..

Yeah, a fun car to drive that is also quite practical. Which is a huge draw for those of us that can't rationalize actually buying a sports car and have always relegated ourselves to driving boring vehicles previously. :p And the aggressive/fun part you mentioned can still happen with an automatic. That's more to do with the driver after all.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by oldpueblo

But if you are tired of playing the shifting game, being forced to play it doesn't enhance but detracts from "the driving experience" if you don't want to shift. I recall watching several reviews where people stated they were surprised at how good the auto was and that its shifts were very well timed. So if I don't care about doing burnouts or racing everyone at a red light or taking the car to the track, do I really need the manual?

And it becomes quite clear right here why don't understand.

Manual has nothing to do with numbers, track times, or red light races.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by fatoni

you mentioned many things that sums the point of this car. the auto is only lacking in one of these categories (and even that one is debatable). i dont see how it misses the point entirely if the handling, seating position, engine dynamics, weight, brakes and steering matter because its exactly the same for both manual and autos. i think a big plus of the auto is that you get to keep your hands on the steering wheel. with your hand on the shifter, steering feel is compromised.

im not saying i want an auto, im just saying that there is nothing wrong with it.

Spoken like someone who can't competently drive manual .

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Spoken like someone who can't competently drive manual .

spoken like someone who cant competently make a point so he resorts to personal attacks. i am plenty competent with a manual.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by fatoni

spoken like someone who cant competently make a point so he resorts to personal attacks. i am plenty competent with a manual.

Shifting mid corner throws the balance of the car, so shouldn't be something you're doing (if driving competently). So, "losing steering feel" due to having a manual is not a thing.