My letter made it into Car and Driver!

[TheSt|G]

If I had the FRS I would absolutely badge swap it to a Toyota.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

Celica? I heard MR2! Come on Toyota, we need another mid-engine car! LOL, not likely but it would sure be nice. I heard they would build one car above the 86 (Supra successor) and one below (MR2 or Celica I suppose)

or how about bringing back an AWD corolla?

Originally Posted by finch1750

Its the Supra, Celica, and MR2 from what I believe. One above, one below, and one more mass market (guessing the Celica, but with a subi partnership here's praying for an all-trac version). I'm praying for a TTop MKii successor for the mr2, but a Mki wouldn't be bad either.

if they do a celica i hope the yamaha has a hand in building the engine

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

Celica? I heard MR2! Come on Toyota, we need another mid-engine car! LOL, not likely but it would sure be nice. I heard they would build one car above the 86 (Supra successor) and one below (MR2 or Celica I suppose)

Its the Supra, Celica, and MR2 from what I believe. One above, one below, and one more mass market (guessing the Celica, but with a subi partnership here's praying for an all-trac version). I'm praying for a TTop MKii successor for the mr2, but a Mki wouldn't be bad either.

[naikaidriver]

Congrats on getting your response published! Very well written and I think that what you said about marketing strategies rings true.

I also would have preferred that Toyota brought the 86 here to the states under the Toyota banner but I am with most here in the feeling that I am overall very pleased that we were lucky enough to have the car available to us at all in the states.

I have lived nearly 8 years in Japan and seen first hand the wonderful assortment of cars and bikes that never make it to our shores. I don't think that I am alone in my belief that, as an enthusiast, this is a tragedy. Cars such as the R32, R33, R34 GTRs and GTS-Ts, turbo 180s, turbo Silvias, Evolution I-VI would have enjoyed a lot of success here in the U.S. I know that there are other cars unique to Europe and elsewhere but my experience is only from Japan.

Personally however, I opted for the FR-S over the BRZ simply because of the styling and as long as the driver's experience is true to the original, JDM-spec 86, I am fine with that. It's just a badge at the end of the day and labels don't make cars better or faster.

Scott

[Tanuki]

All I am saying

[Tim_Asphalt_FRS]

Agreed, I was a little disappointed to hear it would be marketed here as a Scion. I don't think Scion cars aren't quality, but they look like they're designed by a Ringling Bros. clown. But, I bought an FR-S because a)cheaper, & b) I actually found one. I will be swapping Toyota emblems ASAP. The aftermarket will let people go whatever they want to the cars anyways, you don't have to be stuck with a Scion. Who knows, maybe if enough people swap to Toyota emblems, they'll eventually take the hint.


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[Nitro]

I don't care that my car is a scion, I just wish it had the GT86 headlights.

[Turbowned]

^^ See, that's the biggest part of my problem with their decision. I wouldn't necessarily have cared so much about the badge, if Scion didn't offer "mono-spec" cars. I.E. if you could get all the features on the 86 GT Limited/BRZ Limited in the FR-S, I'd swallow my pride and still get it. Buuuuut you can't, so if you want the goodies you gotta get the Subie.

[KingRohan]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

^^ See, that's the biggest part of my problem with their decision. I wouldn't necessarily have cared so much about the badge, if Scion didn't offer "mono-spec" cars. I.E. if you could get all the features on the 86 GT Limited/BRZ Limited in the FR-S, I'd swallow my pride and still get it. Buuuuut you can't, so if you want the goodies you gotta get the Subie.

Hence the reason I bought the BRZ, had my Celica for 10 years.
Got to the point where I wanted the little extras it came with, that the FRS didn't have.

[Hawaiian]

A badge is just a badge. Who cares what you call it. It's still the same car no matter what way you slice it.

BTW turbo, did you get your order in for your car? I remember you missing out on the first one that came in.

[Eurasianman]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

^^ See, that's the biggest part of my problem with their decision. I wouldn't necessarily have cared so much about the badge, if Scion didn't offer "mono-spec" cars. I.E. if you could get all the features on the 86 GT Limited/BRZ Limited in the FR-S, I'd swallow my pride and still get it. Buuuuut you can't, so if you want the goodies you gotta get the Subie.

Could you imagine a Scion with a sticker price of $30,000 or more?

Aside from the dealer mark ups...

[Rayme]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

^^ See, that's the biggest part of my problem with their decision. I wouldn't necessarily have cared so much about the badge, if Scion didn't offer "mono-spec" cars. I.E. if you could get all the features on the 86 GT Limited/BRZ Limited in the FR-S, I'd swallow my pride and still get it. Buuuuut you can't, so if you want the goodies you gotta get the Subie.

LOL, well what's the problem in getting the BRZ over the FR-S then? Why is the badge such a big thing??? It's here, it's available, those cars are indentical and the Subaru has what you want, why not get the subie? You blame scion for pushing wrong visions on their target market, and at the same time you really care about the badge on YOUR car, and toyota is pretty much known for making boring car for the last 10 years. Sounds paradoxial.

Congrats on your publication though, very well written

[Kimsey47]

Originally Posted by Eurasianman

Could you imagine a Scion with a sticker price of $30,000 or more?

Aside from the dealer mark ups...

That's a good point... No one would buy the Scion with that price but I'd considered if that same car had the Toyota on it!

[wbradley]

Same stuff over and over.

Nice car, 2 different brands. One offers more luxury items the other is more basic for a lower price.

What's the big deal?? Scion made it possible for more people to get in on this by keeping the price point lower to start. You have Subaru if you want extras. OMG Toyota doesn't have their version with different extras from Subaru!!! This is a job for Chevy, Pontiac, Oldsmobile and Buick. See how well that goes over nowadays?