Scion TC owners bitter?

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by Tanuki

What has been sacrificed in the name of performance to make the TC a sports car? Has anyone seen a local TC on a road course, or only sponsored/ built ones? How are they in autocross? NASA events?

I've seen quite a few privateers at HPDE and NASA events. You don't "make" a car into sports car just fyi...You can make it into a race car though.

Originally Posted by itisthumper

I also never said I react negatively to how TC drivers feel about my car. I really dont care about that. Once again, I said I am turned off being grouped into the same category of drivers(different from TC drivers' opinions). So I guess you can say Im offended by the people who group these cars together. And yes I do care about the image; I obviously embrace the image of being a slow straight line car with great handling characteristics.

Groupings and labels are meant to be broken. There is a performance enthusiast out there for nearly every car that has a performance aftermarket.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by itisthumper

I also never said I react negatively to how TC drivers feel about my car. I really dont care about that. Once again, I said I am turned off being grouped into the same category of drivers(different from TC drivers' opinions). So I guess you can say Im offended by the people who group these cars together. And yes I do care about the image; I obviously embrace the image of being a slow straight line car with great handling characteristics.

tc drivers or othewise, you shouldnt be letting other people dictate your stance on something. i think its important to note that in the specrum of cars, these are more similar than different. i mean the frs isnt so much more hardcore that it could do without backseats or a conventional auto transmission. to more people than not, the cars are comparable. if you want to embrace the slow thing, why does tc association offend you?

[vtmike]

Originally Posted by fatoni

tc drivers or othewise, you shouldnt be letting other people dictate your stance on something. i think its important to note that in the specrum of cars, these are more similar than different. i mean the frs isnt so much more hardcore that it could do without backseats or a conventional auto transmission. to more people than not, the cars are comparable. if you want to embrace the slow thing, why does tc association offend you?

Nothing against the tc or tc owners. The tc is a decent sporty commuter with a decent interior and attractive exterior. But, I don't think it compares in anyway to the frs/brz, and they are not in the same segment. I haven't heard of any frs/brz owners that have mentioned looking at tc's while shopping for their car. Personally I was looking at the s2000, 350z, and v6 Mustang with track pack. I also have seen no magazine comparison featuring the tc and frs.

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[low trq]

Originally Posted by fatoni

tc drivers or othewise, you shouldnt be letting other people dictate your stance on something. i think its important to note that in the specrum of cars, these are more similar than different. i mean the frs isnt so much more hardcore that it could do without backseats or a conventional auto transmission. to more people than not, the cars are comparable. if you want to embrace the slow thing, why does tc association offend you?

Who would be looking for a true drivers car and buy a TC? Do you honestly think people cross shop these cars?

[frosty86]

Originally Posted by low trq

Who would be looking for a true drivers car and buy a TC? Do you honestly think people cross shop these cars?

Same goes for civic si and gti

[low trq]

Originally Posted by frosty86

Same goes for civic si and gti

I went from a RSX type-S (civic Si pretty much) to a S2000 and now onto a FR-S.

I would never consider a TC and neither would most real car enthusiasts. I know plenty of true car guys who have owned a Si or type-S and NONE would even think about a TC, sorry bro.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by low trq

Who would be looking for a true drivers car and buy a TC? Do you honestly think people cross shop these cars?

thats not what i said. i think that people who are looking a sporty two door that can handle daily driving will cross shop the cars. if "true drivers cars" were so important i dont think the market would have let the elise go extinct. whether you want like it or not, the cars are comparable.

[Tujin]

Originally Posted by low trq

>real car enthusiasts.
>true car guys
> Si
>type-S

wat

[low trq]

Originally Posted by Tujin

wat

Problem?

I've owned a RX7, 300zx, 350Z, S2000, and an RSX-S and my RSX was one of the best of those. I'm not a RWD fanboi like some of you though....

[low trq]

Originally Posted by fatoni

thats not what i said. i think that people who are looking a sporty two door that can handle daily driving will cross shop the cars. if "true drivers cars" were so important i dont think the market would have let the elise go extinct. whether you want like it or not, the cars are comparable.

and I guess so is a Kia Forte Koup. Good luck with that

[frosty86]

Originally Posted by low trq

Problem?

I've owned a RX7, 300zx, 350Z, S2000, and an RSX-S and my RSX was one of the best of those. I'm not a RWD fanboi like some of you though....

but your opinion =/= enthusiast standard
besides, everyone can make up stories on the internet. I can say I'm a top graduate of Navy Seals Academy with 300 confirmed kills and that I own a JDM supra right hand drive because the president let me.

[vtmike]

Originally Posted by fatoni

thats not what i said. i think that people who are looking a sporty two door that can handle daily driving will cross shop the cars. if "true drivers cars" were so important i dont think the market would have let the elise go extinct. whether you want like it or not, the cars are comparable.

I just couldn't see that. The first thing this fictional consumer would see is a base frs is $5500 more than a tc. Then they would realize the frs doesn't have a sunroof or very functional back seat. The kind of person that would consider a tc would place no value on things like steering feel, turn in, and balance. I just couldn't see this kind of person choosing a frs. They would go with the cheaper car with more standard features.

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[low trq]

Originally Posted by frosty86

but your opinion =/= enthusiast standard

In my opinion....it does.

Originally Posted by frosty86

besides, everyone can make up stories on the internet. I can say I'm a top graduate of Navy Seals Academy with 300 confirmed kills and that I own a JDM supra right hand drive because the president let me.

Are you implying that I have not owned those cars? Please say yes.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by vtmike

I just couldn't see that. The first thing this fictional consumer would see is a base frs is $5500 more than a tc. Then they would realize the frs doesn't have a sunroof or very functional back seat. The kind of person that would consider a tc would place no value on things like steering feel, turn in, and balance. I just couldn't see this kind of person choosing a frs. They would go with the cheaper car with more standard features.

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you dont have to see it. this thread kinda turned into a thread about how stupid tc owners try to make it look like their cars are sports cars. if a significant amount of tc owners "tune" their cars, i think its safe to say that they are looking at the frs too. cars get compared because they are different. if they were the same, there would be 0 frs sales because of the prices you mentioned. you have to compare a car to evaluate how they stack up to your values.

i think its easy to get confused as much of the voice you hear come from this forum. it is in no way representative of the public.