Scion FR-S Cover Article in new Road and Track Magazine

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Sabastian

Just an observation, but it seems like you're not really a fan of the FT-86. You don't like the looks, the interior, the power, the weight, or the price, and yet you still come here and post everyday. Why?

QFT!!

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by madfast

LOL i dont WANT the car to be more expensive, i just understand why it may be more expensive. y'all here saying this thing should come in under 20k because its just a bunch of subaru parts stuck together. it aint that simple. and it aint that cheap to do... CORRECTLY! would you rather it be cheap and feel cheap? like seriously. how easy do all of you think, making a car and selling it for a profit, is? if its that easy then why do so many companies fail or scrape by?

+1.

[madfast]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Again forgive me for wanting the only car of it's time(currently) that I want to REALLY BUY, not read in the magazine or forums after it';s release, to be done right from the start! 2+2, small, nimble, and turbo(so I can have good mpg when I want, power when I want and 250hp(from 200hp) with a reflash/i/e).

its not 2+2 but why not just wait for the WRX based Factory Five kit car to come out?

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/...t.html#nextcar

[Sabastian]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Oh btw you missed the part about me saying $22k starting for the Cooper Coupe.

Here's what you said:

"This car is crazy, has 2 wings, one on roof and an active aero wing like Porsche/Audi TT that comes up at 50mph on the hatch and just for the price of $22k starting. It's 181hp177tq TURBO and ~2600#."


You quoted the starting price of the Cooper, and gave the engine specs of the Cooper S. What's there to miss?

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by madfast

its not 2+2 but why not just wait for the WRX based Factory Five kit car to come out?

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/...t.html#nextcar

Warranty and don't want the raw cart feel.

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by Sabastian

Here's what you said:

"This car is crazy, has 2 wings, one on roof and an active aero wing like Porsche/Audi TT that comes up at 50mph on the hatch and just for the price of $22k starting. It's 181hp177tq TURBO and ~2600#."


You quoted the starting price of the Cooper, and gave the engine specs of the Cooper S. What's there to miss?

2wings, one being active would come on the base for $22k I think that is crazy.


I put a (.) period. Then went on to say the Cooper S specs.. because of picture but just amazed at the gadgetry of a $22k premium brand car.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

2wings, one being active would come on the base for $22k I think that is crazy.


I put a (.) period. Then went on to say the Cooper S specs.. because of picture but just amazed at the gadgetry of a $22k premium brand car.

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Push come to shove, I'm gonna say screw Scion and Subaru and get a new MINI COOPER S COUPE.

This car is crazy, has 2 wings, one on roof and an active aero wing like Porsche/Audi TT that comes up at 50mph on the hatch and just for the price of $22k starting. It's 181hp177tq TURBO and ~2600#.

I think you did a piss poor job of writing what you meant. Just read your last two sentences again. You end with it starting at $22k and then jump straight on the 181hp/177tq without evening mentioning you were switching to the Cooper S coupe specs. That is the issue Sebastian has. But you have since clarified.

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I think you did a piss poor job of writing what you meant. Just read your last two sentences again. You end with it starting at $22k and then jump straight on the 181hp/177tq without evening mentioning you were switching to the Cooper S coupe specs. That is the issue Sebastian has. But you have since clarified.

Duly noted professor.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Duly noted professor.

No worries. At first I was shocked Mini would sell that much car for $22k. But even $25.3k is a decent price for what you get. So I was kinda confused as well. But that is water under the bridge.



PAIT, do you have any further info on the active wings on the Cooper S coupe? I guess I should clarify. Is that something that is only active when you hit 70mph on the highway? Or will it be used under braking as well? Could it be used at the track for increased traction.

[82mm 4g63]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

The FT86 interior could be fugly too, which is subjective. I considered the spy interior mofugly..

The headlight are sharp, tails are round, interior looks blocky with the overall exterior is a mess. TheMmini style flows in and out with the car.

HERE IS TO EYE GOUGING YOU!!! LOL

That's just fugly, I'm sorry. lol. I absolutely love my RX7's interior, itKs the perfect drivers cockpit. The cooperKs is the polar opposite, IMHO. Hope the FRS is nothing like the Mini. -_-

[n2oinferno]

I love the Cooper Coupe, but if I'm buying a two seater, it'll be a 370Z, Miata, or MR2 Spyder with a 2ZZ swap.

[Random_Art]

I like the concept of Mini's and I like the over all design of the new Coupe. But, Why the f*** do they feel the need to stick the Speedo in the middle of the dash?!?!

[OldSkoolToys]

3000lbs with driver and adult passenger, maybe. If that's the car's curb weight then this car is DOA in my eyes. It's easy to change your car to mimic the feel of a high-horsepower car by...well, adding horsepower. But if a car is naturally overweight, its exxxtrreeemmeeellly hard to reduce it far enough to mimic the feel of a light-weight car in the corners.

The AE86 wouldn't have garnered such a huge following if it weighed 500-600lbs heavier than it came out as. It was already underpowered at ~2300 lbs (U.S. spec), but at least its meager weight kept the car -FUN-. Since then enthusiasts have found ways, evenly cheaply while maintaining reliability, to make the car much faster in terms of power, without having to do anything to the weight....its light as is.

All of that said, R&T is pulling that weight number out of their ass. And if the car weighs more than 2800lbs, I'm not touching it. I would much rather see 160-170 flywheel HP and 2600lbs than 200hp and 2800+. But I'm a minority of people that enjoy light-weight nimble sports car's in a website who's car is (supposedly) dedicated to light-weight nimble sports cars.

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

All of that said, R&T is pulling that weight number out of their ass. And if the car weighs more than 2800lbs, I'm not touching it. I would much rather see 160-170 flywheel HP and 2600lbs than 200hp and 2800+. But I'm a minority of people that enjoy light-weight nimble sports car's in a website who's car is (supposedly) dedicated to light-weight nimble sports cars.

You're not alone, I think we all prefer it to be light and nimble too but ~75lbs isn't going to kill the car if that weight sacrifice is for a power(turbo). The new Legacy turbo configuration has a very low CG and moves ~75# of weight forward about 3-4", very negligible difference.