Scion FR-S Cover Article in new Road and Track Magazine - Page 8 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Giccin · 07-02-2011, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Random_Art

I imagine the hoodline might have something to do with radiator placement. Since the latch tends to be mounted on the upper radiator support, trying to reach up over 6 inches through a small crack when you pop the hood may not work out so well for a lot of people.
It could also have something to do with ease of repair after an accident. I don't really mind the length of the hood as it is in the chops, but we don't know if that's the final location of that line for the production version. Don't worry about it just yet.

Ease?! That Lip+bumper+Fenders is a combination. Lol What if you just want to change it cosmetically? Likeeeeee........ Body kit? It looks like its going to be a giant piece you take out of the box and on the car.

Random_Art · 07-02-2011, 02:46 PM

I didn't say it made sense. It's just a possibility. We all know that Toyota is prone to doing silly things sometimes. Like selling this as a Scion instead of a Toyota for example.

danban · 07-02-2011, 03:50 PM

200hp, 150lb/ft for a flat 4 isn't too bad, but if this going to be the spec for the FR-S and if there won't be any better model then i am not going to have business with toyota or subaru. Maybe its time to contact some chevy dealer for the upcoming carmaro ZL1.

tranzformer · 07-02-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by danban

200hp, 150lb/ft for a flat 4 isn't too bad, but if this going to be the spec for the FR-S and if there won't be any better model then i am not going to have business with toyota or subaru. Maybe its time to contact some chevy dealer for the upcoming carmaro ZL1.

Are you real trying to consider a $23-25k Scion in the same sentence as a $50K Camaro ZL1? lol you crack me up.

SUB-FT86 · 07-02-2011, 07:05 PM

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Are you real trying to consider a $23-35k Scion in the same sentence as a $50K Camaro ZL1? lol you crack me up.

bofa · 07-02-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer

Are you real trying to consider a $23-35k Scion in the same sentence as a $50K Camaro ZL1? lol you crack me up.

23-35K?

That's a lot of neon lights and trim kits.

tranzformer · 07-02-2011, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bofa

23-35K?

That's a lot of neon lights and trim kits.

That is what happens when you have fat thumbs like me and try to type on a mobile device. Was suppose to be 23-25.

bofa · 07-02-2011, 09:04 PM

Haha, I kinda figured that. Although... I wouldn't be surprised if someone ends up paying that much for one with a bunch of dealer-installed goodies.

Maxim · 07-02-2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer

Are you real trying to consider a $23-25k Scion in the same sentence as a $50K Camaro ZL1? lol you crack me up.

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Why not? I'm in the same position. I could go out and buy a Mustang Boss right now if I wanted (and could find one...). Or a new BMW 1 M-coupe. Or a 2 year old Porsche Cayman. Or any other sporty car that was 50k or less.

Just because I CAN doesn't mean I will. If a really unique, cool little car for 20-25k is being developed and it looks like it may actually perform well and be pretty cool, then why wouldn't I want to wait and see if it's any good? It'll cost me less in insurance, the car will be easier to work on, parts less expensive, and how good do you think the FR-S/SubCoupe would be with an extra 15k in it?

Why do you think I'm so damn hard on the car?

82mm 4g63 · 07-02-2011, 10:03 PM

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Just because I CAN doesn't mean I will.

Semantics though. Just because you technically CAN compare the two, doesn't mean you should. The similarities stop at having two doors. I'm not an American muscle car fan, so Mustangs and Camaros aren't on my list of possible buys, but a future fourth generation RX7 or fifth generation Supra are. I'm not about to start comparing the two, because they're in totally different leagues. My expectations for a $25,000 car and my expectations for a $50,000 car are not the same.

Maxim · 07-02-2011, 10:30 PM

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Semantics though. Just because you technically CAN compare the two, doesn't mean you should. The similarities stop at having two doors. I'm not an American muscle car fan, so Mustangs and Camaros aren't on my list of possible buys, but a future fourth generation RX7 or fifth generation Supra are. I'm not about to start comparing the two, because they're in totally different leagues. My expectations for a $25,000 car and my expectations for a $50,000 car are not the same.

I buy cars to have fun. I don't have any particular loyalty to the TYPE of fun I have. Other vehicles that I'm looking at: SVT Raptor or a Wrangler Rubicon. I dont talk about those here because it's totally off topic, but I also happen to be an avid hunter and trail runner (as in on foot) so vehicles like that can support THOSE hobbies.

I could also dump money into my GTI instead of buy a whole new car. Drop in the AWD from the Golf R, mod the hell out of the engine, do full coilovers and new rims tires, etc.

I want to try something different tho, which is why I'm interested in this car.

bofa · 07-02-2011, 11:36 PM

There's nothing wrong with how you consider the FT, Maxim. I totally get it. I'm in a position that I could get a Cayman S, Evora, or a M3. At the same time though, I have other plans for that $$ and have decided not to go that route this time around. I'm looking for as much fun as I can get somewhere between 22-28k. Just remember that in comparing it to a 50k car you have to include what the other 25k (maybe 30k if you finance it) could go towards.

So compare the ZL1 to the FT86 + a wrangler + a nice turbo upgrade for your GTI and a decent pair of running shoes.

82mm 4g63 · 07-02-2011, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxim

I buy cars to have fun. I don't have any particular loyalty to the TYPE of fun I have. Other vehicles that I'm looking at: SVT Raptor or a Wrangler Rubicon. I dont talk about those here because it's totally off topic, but I also happen to be an avid hunter and trail runner (as in on foot) so vehicles like that can support THOSE hobbies.

I could also dump money into my GTI instead of buy a whole new car. Drop in the AWD from the Golf R, mod the hell out of the engine, do full coilovers and new rims tires, etc.

I want to try something different tho, which is why I'm interested in this car.

Agreed, but the TYPE of fun wasn't really my point, it's the amount of fun I'm having for the amount of money I'm spending. It's a give and take situation, if I'm giving a car manufacturer more money, I expect them to give me more in return. I don't expect Toyota to give me the same amount of fun for $25k that Chevy's would give me for $50k. That's not realistic. If the Camaro ZL1 had a $25k sticker only a die hard Toyota fan and/or an idiot would buy an FR-S over the ZL1, because the two cars are not equal.

I could sell my 7 and Talon to bring payments down to an affordable range on a GT-R or a Z06, but I'm not going to get anywhere near a equal return (I mean fun, not monetarily) on that investment.

[Edit] On a similar note, if Toyota or Mazda release any solid information about releasing a Supra/RX before the FR-S is released you better believe I'm jumping on one. They also better not be in S2000/RX8 or even 370Z territory in terms of performance.

82mm 4g63 · 07-03-2011, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bofa

So compare the ZL1 to the FT86 + a wrangler + a nice turbo upgrade for your GTI and a decent pair of running shoes.

Or compare the ZL1 to an FR-S with >$20,000 thrown at it.

07-02-2011, 02:46 PM	#100
Random_Art professional smartass Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: 16 speed mountain bike... Location: Georgia Posts: 659 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I didn't say it made sense. It's just a possibility. We all know that Toyota is prone to doing silly things sometimes. Like selling this as a Scion instead of a Toyota for example. __________________ Goodbye Celica, you served me well. http://artsofrandomness.blogspot.com/

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bofa Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: Ms. Daisy Location: Dog house Posts: 645 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Haha, I kinda figured that. Although... I wouldn't be surprised if someone ends up paying that much for one with a bunch of dealer-installed goodies. __________________ BRZ before hoes

07-02-2011, 11:36 PM	#110
bofa Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: Ms. Daisy Location: Dog house Posts: 645 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	There's nothing wrong with how you consider the FT, Maxim. I totally get it. I'm in a position that I could get a Cayman S, Evora, or a M3. At the same time though, I have other plans for that $$ and have decided not to go that route this time around. I'm looking for as much fun as I can get somewhere between 22-28k. Just remember that in comparing it to a 50k car you have to include what the other 25k (maybe 30k if you finance it) could go towards. So compare the ZL1 to the FT86 + a wrangler + a nice turbo upgrade for your GTI and a decent pair of running shoes. __________________ BRZ before hoes

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danban Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Drives: Anything that makes fun Location: CA Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	200hp, 150lb/ft for a flat 4 isn't too bad, but if this going to be the spec for the FR-S and if there won't be any better model then i am not going to have business with toyota or subaru. Maybe its time to contact some chevy dealer for the upcoming carmaro ZL1.

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