Scion FR-S Cover Article in new Road and Track Magazine

[Dimman]

Yeah, if they're going to throw 3000 lbs out while they're talking about 'lightweight', it's time to start looking for other options.

(Do 'real' magazines troll? 3000 lbs, ffs...)

[82mm 4g63]

Why oh why can't Mazda or Toyota seem to get it right? They won my heart 20 years ago and now they keep breaking it, what went wrong? Lightweight, twin-turbocharged rotary 2-seater or a 2+2 with a bulletproof twin-turbocharged 6-cylinder.

[Dark]

If the car is anywhere near 3000lb, I would look for some other sport-car instead. 3000lb with 200 hp and 150 torque is a joke, not a sport car. Hopefully, it's just a speculation from those typical magazines. I still hold my breathe for the actual number though.

[dalli]

they are saying that the ft-86 is slower than my dads dam Toyota camry hybrid???????

140 HP from the engine + 40HP from electric engine and it weighs more than 3k

WTF, the article is full of it

[Maxim]

3000 lbs is excessive for this size car, I agree. I think it'll come in under that....but not by a large amount. I've been hoping for 2700lbs, but every single article that comes out about the car seems to have a slightly higher weight estimate....makes me think that Toyota/Subaru is slowly lowering expectations to avoid shock when the car is released....

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by dalli

they are saying that the ft-86 is slower than my dads dam Toyota camry hybrid???????

140 HP from the engine + 40HP from electric engine and it weighs more than 3k

WTF, the article is full of it

The Camry Hybrid is actually a pretty fast car, the instant torque from the electric motor helps the launch time, and with the two engines, it will be much more powerful than the 86.

[Random_Art]

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

The Camry Hybrid is actually a pretty fast car, the instant torque from the electric motor helps the launch time, and with the two engines, it will be much more powerful than the 86.

Here's what we do for the FR-S:

Strip out the back and move the engine to the rear, with the transmission hooking straight into the differential.

Now that the engine bay is empty. Stick a 2ZZ up there.

Of course these would have to be automatics and we would probably destroy any handling or general drivability in the process

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

The Camry Hybrid is actually a pretty fast car, the instant torque from the electric motor helps the launch time, and with the two engines, it will be much more powerful than the 86.

That is the plan for the RX-9 2+2 to get 300hp and good mpg. All aluminum 1.6X rotary with hybrid system.. derived from Sky platforms. It will be in the $27-30k region.

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...ed-driven.html

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by Random_Art

Here's what we do for the FR-S:

Strip out the back and move the engine to the rear, with the transmission hooking straight into the differential.

Now that the engine bay is empty. Stick a 2ZZ up there.

Of course these would have to be automatics and we would probably destroy any handling or general drivability in the process

2zz is an ok motor, and possible great for it's time, but If I was to do all that custom work I'd put a K20A or K24.

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by Dimman

3000 lbs? Seriously? Supras can cut weight to less than that.

If there's talk of 3000 lbs in the rumour mill, that could mean they're trying to get us used to the fact that it's creeping up. I was expecting 2700 lbs, hoping for 2500lbs.

But I'm going to have to adjust my expectation to 2850 lbs.

This is too much.

If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself...

2ZZGE/6M + MR-S + hardtop = doing myself what Toyota can't seem to figure out.

We have a couple of 2ZZ MR-S running around here. I really contemplated this. You can find them cheap already swapped for under $8k in good condition where I live.

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Yeah, if they're going to throw 3000 lbs out while they're talking about 'lightweight', it's time to start looking for other options.

(Do 'real' magazines troll? 3000 lbs, ffs...)

This is no surprise I've been saying this car will tip the 2,800 mark or more. FFS it's Subaru and the year 2012 coming.

[Maxim]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

That is the plan for the RX-9 2+2 to get 300hp and good mpg. All aluminum 1.6X rotary with hybrid system.. derived from Sky platforms. It will be in the $27-30k region.

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...ed-driven.html

There's nothing in that link about the 16x rotary, or a hybrid system. It's just about the sky series of engines. I also did a search on that site for RX-9 and got 0 results....

Where are you getting this from?

The most recent news I can find is here: http://www.topspeed.com/cars/mazda/2...e-ar99495.html

And they got their info from Car and Driver. The rotary is in trouble and Mazda denies all rumors of working on an RX-8 successor....

That was their response when questioned about the 16x and a hybrid drivetrain (borrowed from Toyota in an agreement the two companies signed last year).

So it seems that the Rotary is in fact in very real danger of going away...again.

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

It has more to do with cost to repair than safety. The insurance companies come out with a chart every year showing how much each car costs to insure vs. the average. The WRX/STI is usually something like 500% of the average for collision damage, but actually below the average for personal injuries. It is also among the safest cars based on number of fatalities. Basically there are bunch of asshats driving them who like to crash into things, and the parts to fix them are expensive.

I would like to mention, I used to be a part-time AllState Ins. agent and It has to do with a lot of things.
NHTSA ratings
how many get into accidents
speeding
thefts
age demographic(not suppose to but it always happens)
cost of repair
anything the car does financially negative, negligent, or in an unsafe manner is a factor..

This all comes into play BEFORE then you add to the mix the driver's age, driving record, credit background, if it's a high population area the car is located in as well as the wildlife(DEER) accidents/claims recorded in the area. Which then these just add more on top.

The Scion sport coupe, will be the higher insurance after a year or 2 THAT is a known fact with my experience. One way to test, go to both dealers get both vins and write the same policy for both and see what comes back. If you get the same insurance for both and the Scion costs you $4k MSRP less that is a raw indication for whats to come.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

We have a couple of 2ZZ MR-S running around here. I really contemplated this. You can find them cheap already swapped for under $8k in good condition where I live.

I don't know much about the MR-S, they weren't offered in Canada. But we're starting to see US imports lately.

Wikipedia says 2195lbs for the manual. Weight difference between a 1ZZ and 2ZZ can't be too much, so maybe 2300 lbs with a hardtop?

2300 lbs, 180 hp, 6m, great handling, stock reliability, good fuel economy. I wasn't planning on drifting so the MR doesn't bother me at all. And less money. So I lose 2 seats and some storage, I still have the Legacy.