A Message to Toyota

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by Laika

Slap on some Toyota badges and call it a day. I don't like it either but it's happening. You still know that deep down it's a reincarnation of the ae86 so who cares? Hell if anything the fact that it's a flat 4 and Subaru will have one too should be taking away from it's spirit yet it's still the one I'm buying

looks like I will be investing in some badges after I obtain one

and oddly I don't feel the same way. Subaru was been hardcore when it comes to motorsports and it showed with each incarnation of the sti so them working with Toyota on this new FR car made it all the more sweeter

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by ft86cbx

FFS! Its happening so get over it!

All in favour of the ban stick say 'i'

damn dude i just posted an opinion

chill-out

[NemesisPrime909]

anyway since this has been said many times over as out friend just stated

I will kindly as the admin to close this topic so it can fade into obscurity

[PAImportTuner]

IBTL,

Get the badges and steering wheel bra. Scion needs this car to stay afloat to survive they're losing steam, not going to happen in the US, that is if Scion went under before release!

Personally I think Toyota should dissolve Scion and then make their vehicles Toyotas that have the same name and features as the "JDM" counterparts. Price shouldn't have to change that much, make consumers haggle, it's part of the business Joe and John doesn't mind paying $24-25k.. I'll gladly pay 21k after a few hours or days. People just want things given to them without working for it.

Ford has been cheap in US for years and that almost killed them until they started release close to World/EU versions here the last couple of years. Might I add has done well with little to no help from big brother.

GM had to get rid of some fat too although different circumstances than Ford or Scion business models. They just offered the car like 3 times(like you're asking), different names, exteriors, semi-different interiors. That to me is stupid, look where stupid got them.

[Deslock]

A message to Toyota: Kudos to you and Subaru for building an inexpensive, lightweight, short-throw-equipped, RWD 4-seater!

Otherwise: http://*************/forums/f9/toyoba...-517/#post6022

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by Deslock

A message to Toyota: Kudos to you and Subaru for building an inexpensive, lightweight, short-throw-equipped, RWD 4-seater!

Otherwise: http://*************/forums/f9/toyoba...-517/#post6022

Subaru is the MC for me, safe, fast and full of love. The Toyota fans can have at it with each other, whether it's a Scion or Toyota, I just wish Subaru grew a mind of their own for the initial release and basically crap on Toyota/Scion with a turbo variant from the get go versus a mid cycle refresh.

If Toyota branded it here in the US and it was cheaper than the Subaru, I'm not going to lie I'd probably get that instead. I consider Toyota and Subaru to be the elegance of Japan. So with that elegance with motorsports nature lurking under the skin of the car, that to me is win-win situation. But Scion name/culture kills that for me, Subaru keeps it alive for me. Call me a yuppy or a badge snob, like in that link/thread in your comments I don't care, I just want to make sure my money is spent right. We will see after 10 years which variant is worth more and what car meets you preferred. Reason why I left the Honda scene after like 9 years and why I probably wont own one again, been Honda-free for 3 years.

[serialk11r]

Not to feed the brand argument, but I somehow feel like the only people who see Scion as having distinctly inferior brand image would be enthusiasts. Sure Scion doesn't have pedigree/heritage/whatever but to normal people on the street who aren't even into Toyotas, they see Toyota as being the company that makes cushy "value" transportation. Scion does exactly the same thing. My friend (into cars) the other day told me that Toyota can't make a good sports car and he has no faith in the FT86, because they don't have any sports cars right now. While that's not exactly true as they are a very old company that has a lot of experience, I think it goes to show that there might be less of a difference in image than people think. To be honest I don't even see Scions around that much, and the drivers tend to be older looking people who aren't aggressive at all, and I think that's what most people will think if they see a scion badge on your car (I bet most people don't even recognize the Scion badge, I didn't until I came to this forum rofl).

I haven't owned a car before but I can kinda understand why people would be disappointed. I imagine it's a bit disappointing to be getting a car without an established brand, it just feels like something is missing. However if it's a great car, I think I can live with looking at a Scion logo on the steering wheel everyday (might pull it off though). Just pull the badge off, and everyone will go WHOA what is that sick looking car Or keep it on and people will still do the same

[Matador]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

[fernan2]

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

ok look, here in the states you have your Scion brand and We know you're trying to make it more popular. but giving them the FT-86 is a bit of a slap to the face to the Toyota enthusiasts.

at the start, you said this car was to to be reminiscent of the AE86 one of your more popular cars and a care many of us fell in love with much like the 2000GT, the GT-Four, MR-2, and Supra.

for me personally this said to me, "Toyota's finally going to have a sports car again, not only that, but an affordable one too!" and this thought generally made me happy, the only issue is, I reading alot of media saying the FT will retain it's Toyota badge in Europe, Japan, and Austrailia, but get the Scion name ONLY here in the states to this I say, I hope you at least give us the option of having it as a Toyota or a Scion or you may just see a spike in sales of Toyota badges and steering wheels


(Note- I do not hate the Scion name I just feel the character/spirit of the car will be somewhat lost)

i've been out of this forum like for 2 months, and i come back for this SHIET??? see you guys in 2 more month!

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by Riden86

How about call it "Scion Supra"! Sound very good right?

I threw up a little bit. :l Don't ever say that!!!

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Subaru is the MC for me, safe, fast and full of love. The Toyota fans can have at it with each other, whether it's a Scion or Toyota, I just wish Subaru grew a mind of their own for the initial release and basically crap on Toyota/Scion with a turbo variant from the get go versus a mid cycle refresh.

If Toyota branded it here in the US and it was cheaper than the Subaru, I'm not going to lie I'd probably get that instead. I consider Toyota and Subaru to be the elegance of Japan. So with that elegance with motorsports nature lurking under the skin of the car, that to me is win-win situation. But Scion name/culture kills that for me, Subaru keeps it alive for me. Call me a yuppy or a badge snob, like in that link/thread in your comments I don't care, I just want to make sure my money is spent right. We will see after 10 years which variant is worth more and what car meets you preferred. Reason why I left the Honda scene after like 9 years and why I probably wont own one again, been Honda-free for 3 years.

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Not to feed the brand argument, but I somehow feel like the only people who see Scion as having distinctly inferior brand image would be enthusiasts. Sure Scion doesn't have pedigree/heritage/whatever but to normal people on the street who aren't even into Toyotas, they see Toyota as being the company that makes cushy "value" transportation. Scion does exactly the same thing. My friend (into cars) the other day told me that Toyota can't make a good sports car and he has no faith in the FT86, because they don't have any sports cars right now. While that's not exactly true as they are a very old company that has a lot of experience, I think it goes to show that there might be less of a difference in image than people think. To be honest I don't even see Scions around that much, and the drivers tend to be older looking people who aren't aggressive at all, and I think that's what most people will think if they see a scion badge on your car (I bet most people don't even recognize the Scion badge, I didn't until I came to this forum rofl).

I haven't owned a car before but I can kinda understand why people would be disappointed. I imagine it's a bit disappointing to be getting a car without an established brand, it just feels like something is missing. However if it's a great car, I think I can live with looking at a Scion logo on the steering wheel everyday (might pull it off though). Just pull the badge off, and everyone will go WHOA what is that sick looking car Or keep it on and people will still do the same

Kill Scion! And just put TRD instead. I'd be happy. Lol

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

Sums its up

[ft86cbx]

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

damn dude i just posted an opinion

chill-out

Im completely chilled Just bored of the same old thing keep coming up.

If there is one FACT we know about this car its that its gong to be branded as a scion in the US. Can we please move on?

I know its just an opinion, but its pretty pointless having this discussion now (again).

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Giccin

I threw up a little bit. :l Don't ever say that!!!

Scion LFA

[Calais]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Scion LFA

so.... that means it'll only be like $200,000????