Report: Subaru Coupe STI Model Possible, But Without Turbo

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Random_Art

Wikipedia?

Thanks.

I'm a machinist, and metallurgy is a small supplemental part of that trade. In school I've forged, machined, hardened and tempered parts.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Thanks.

I'm a machinist, and metallurgy is a small supplemental part of that trade. In school I've forged, machined, hardened and tempered parts.

We all did.

SHAZAM!
(metal work is so easy for innuendo's)

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

We all did.

SHAZAM!
(metal work is so easy for innuendo's)

Never even got in to the fit tolerancing of shafts and holes...

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Never even got in to the fit tolerancing of shafts and holes...

Hahaha! Awesome.

[NemesisPrime909]

well an sti version sounds nice but keeping with the N/A motif, I'd say advance the supension, engine output, add lighter wheels, stickier tires, and there ya go

Subaru *untitled FT-86 vairant* sti

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

well an sti version sounds nice but keeping with the N/A motif, I'd say advance the supension, engine output, add lighter wheels, stickier tires, and there ya go

Subaru *untitled FT-86 vairant* sti

Sorry I could buy a damn fr-s and do the same for less with better parts and be faster... The STI model has to be significantly different than the Scion model and base Subaru.. I know you Scion guys like that type of stuff (spending thousands for looks and sound).. but the Subaru crowd will want 50 more hp in an STI variant, we crave power ad overall performance.. not going to happen unless turbo or h6.

I have to reiterate.. the Subaru market is different than Scions. When they have an STI model it's serious business. TRD for Scions have become IMO.. rice with minimal gains.. just another warrantied way to milk the cattle sort of speak.

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by dilly-o

wft, where did all these metallurgy experts come from?!?
lol

They all come from... Getting an Education. :>

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Sorry I could buy a damn fr-s and do the same for less with better parts and be faster... The STI model has to be significantly different than the Scion model and base Subaru.. I know you Scion guys like that type of stuff (spending thousands for looks and sound).. but the Subaru crowd will want 50 more hp in an STI variant, we crave power ad overall performance.. not going to happen unless turbo or h6.

I have to reiterate.. the Subaru market is different than Scions. When they have an STI model it's serious business. TRD for Scions have become IMO.. rice with minimal gains.. just another warrantied way to milk the cattle sort of speak.

If the base FT86 has steel suspension components, the STI will have aluminum if the Impreza is any indication.

They could go with a mild power bump but more weight-savings/handling mods.

It's going to be hard to make decent predictions, though, since this situation will be very different than the Impreza/WRX/STI situation.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Sorry I could buy a damn fr-s and do the same for less with better parts and be faster... The STI model has to be significantly different than the Scion model and base Subaru.. I know you Scion guys like that type of stuff (spending thousands for looks and sound).. but the Subaru crowd will want 50 more hp in an STI variant, we crave power ad overall performance.. not going to happen unless turbo or h6.

I have to reiterate.. the Subaru market is different than Scions. When they have an STI model it's serious business. TRD for Scions have become IMO.. rice with minimal gains.. just another warrantied way to milk the cattle sort of speak.

first off, I'm not a "SCION GUY" but to be honest TRD hasn't really released and body mods or at least capitalized on them for awhile now, the most i see nowadays are struts, coils, intakes and wheels nothing more really. they offered a supercharger at one point but I think that's gone now.

anyaway back to the FT-86 subaru variant. I did say increase the engine output, and I'm pretty sure they can get 50+ horsepower out of the new boxer.

and while i would agree with you about the h6, you have to put yourself in the companies position they're investing all this time and money into this car and are desperately trying to keep it small, lightweight, balanced, affordable, etc. now adding a turbo could easily shoot the price up $3000, and with this car dancing on the $20,000-$25,000 line, adding a turbo would make the car just as expensive at the impreza sti which means they could quite possibly sell less than they want and over a long term period loose money.

second point as to why not add the h6 (even though I like this idea)? adding a different engine to car changes everything about the car, it could make the care heavier, and on top of that breach the "affordable" goal of these cars

keep in mind this car has to be ready by November so it can fully unveiled at the TMS and Sema in December


so I say this while the subaur version of the FT86 wany very well be an FT86 with a six-star badge, maybe over time as parts and labor become cheaper may we get the h6 version or the turbo version

hopefully

[Maxim]

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

first off, I'm not a "SCION GUY" but to be honest TRD hasn't really released and body mods or at least capitalized on them for awhile now, the most i see nowadays are struts, coils, intakes and wheels nothing more really. they offered a supercharger at one point but I think that's gone now.

anyaway back to the FT-86 subaru variant. I did say increase the engine output, and I'm pretty sure they can get 50+ horsepower out of the new boxer.

and while i would agree with you about the h6, you have to put yourself in the companies position they're investing all this time and money into this car and are desperately trying to keep it small, lightweight, balanced, affordable, etc. now adding a turbo could easily shoot the price up $3000, and with this car dancing on the $20,000-$25,000 line, adding a turbo would make the car just as expensive at the impreza sti which means they could quite possibly sell less than they want and over a long term period loose money.

second point as to why not add the h6 (even though I like this idea)? adding a different engine to car changes everything about the car, it could make the care heavier, and on top of that breach the "affordable" goal of these cars

keep in mind this car has to be ready by November so it can fully unveiled at the TMS and Sema in December


so I say this while the subaur version of the FT86 wany very well be an FT86 with a six-star badge, maybe over time as parts and labor become cheaper may we get the h6 version or the turbo version

hopefully

A 300hp turbo version of the Subaru Coupe wouldn't compete with the WRX STI. One is a 4/5 door sports sedan with all wheel drive, one is a tiny coupe with vestigial rear seats and rear wheel drive. Totally different markets.

[bofa]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Sorry I could buy a damn fr-s and do the same for less with better parts and be faster... The STI model has to be significantly different than the Scion model and base Subaru.. I know you Scion guys like that type of stuff (spending thousands for looks and sound).. but the Subaru crowd will want 50 more hp in an STI variant, we crave power ad overall performance.. not going to happen unless turbo or h6.

I have to reiterate.. the Subaru market is different than Scions. When they have an STI model it's serious business. TRD for Scions have become IMO.. rice with minimal gains.. just another warrantied way to milk the cattle sort of speak.

I'm interested to see how it plays out. If they have an STi version that is $9,000 more, then yeah I would expect marked improvements in every aspect of the car and some sort of FI or H6. But if the STi version is something like $3K more, its much more reasonable to expect what Dimman suggests.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Maxim

A 300hp turbo version of the Subaru Coupe wouldn't compete with the WRX STI. One is a 4/5 door sports sedan with all wheel drive, one is a tiny coupe with vestigial rear seats and rear wheel drive. Totally different markets.

And yet if the performance numbers are similar, sales will bleed one from the other.

Not to mention that Subaru is separating the WRX from the Impreza lineup, which immediately allows Subaru to build a WRX specific platform. If it stays 4-door only, I'd be HIGHLY surprised. No doubt the new separate WRX will come with a 2-door coupe and 4-door sedan option. And the only reason I'd suspect they'd even build a 4-door option is because of 'heritage'.

What I expect is that the 216a and WRX will act similarly as the Celica and the Supra did. Little brother, big brother. The 216a will never be as 'fast' as the WRX in factory form and its price will reflect this. This also means Force Induction is highly unlikely. Why? Because its also been said when the EJ is finally retired from the WRX/STI line of cars, the WRX will use a 2.0L. Probably the same 2.0L the 216a will use, only beefed up with FI.

[Dimman]

I'm thinking that the differences between the 216a and its STI version will be similar to the differences between the Integra GS-R and Type-R. On paper, not a lot of huge differences, but the application makes for a harder edged car. Especially on the track.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Dimman

I'm thinking that the differences between the 216a and its STI version will be similar to the differences between the Integra GS-R and Type-R. On paper, not a lot of huge differences, but the application makes for a harder edged car. Especially on the track.

Exactly...standard STi package minus the big power upgrade because of an N/A engine.

Body Aero, sportier exhaust, upgraded interior trim, stiffer suspension, misc. underhood upgrades. There will be a power difference between a standard 216a and the STi version, but it'll probably be very minor.

To put it in perspective, if we use a very conservative weight figure for the 216a at 2800lbs, even with just 250hp the car has a better p/w ratio than the WRX STi. Along with its lower CoG, and overall better balance, the 216a would end up being the better sports car of the two models. I honestly can't see Subaru upstaging its flagship sports car with a "red-headed stepchild" in the group: the RWD newcomer.