The Diet Thread

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sorry i had to correct my comment a lil´ bit! I´m not a native english speaking!

honestly, all the shit they´re talking about of the sort I want a "straight line F§$% all u up" car or the big AE86 revival or what ever, will never happen!

You have to get your one approach, feeling or/and sense to get to this vehicle, otherwise you will get dissapointed!

I hope you (all of you) get it clear and know what I´m saying!

If not, I will try to explain you! :happy0180:

[blur]

Originally Posted by Maxim

Agreed on all points. Massively reduced corrosion for the exhaust system that way too.

I didn't realize the weight differences would be that great. I'd be more than willing to shell out that kind of money for a headers-back system that saved that much weight while increasing power and sound quality!

Now I'm interested in how hard/expensive it would be to do the same thing with suspension components. I was thinking that would be prohibitively expensive.

Honestly though, if your weight estimates are semi-accurate, I'd probably be willing to stop there too. That's a damn good amount of weight to lose, and several of those components also increase engine performance at the same time.

Well, suspension wise there would be less bang for buck. And yes, these mods serve multiple purposes

[Maxim]

Originally Posted by TomGT

sorry i had to correct my comment a lil´ bit! I´m not a native english speaking!

honestly, all the shit they´re talking about of the sort I want a "straight line F§$% all u up" car or the big AE86 revival or what ever, will never happen!

You have to get your one approach, feeling or/and sense to get to this vehicle, otherwise you will get dissapointed!

I hope you (all of you) get it clear and know what I´m saying!

If not, I will try to explain you! :happy0180:

Ok, I didn't realize english was not your primary language. It looked like you were ignoring everything I said in my posts and telling me to just go buy a completely stripped out car - which I specifically said I did not want...repeatedly.

[Merlin]

I see where this is going. I plan to auto-x this car in the stock class, maybe G-stock. More likely D-stock.
Reducing weight can gain performance everywhere.
First, aftermarket cat-back,
Double adjustable aluminum shocks.
Remove everything that is not bolted down, spare tire and jack.
Empty water in the windshield wiper washer container.
Empty radiator overflow container.
Half filled master cylinder, half fill radiator.
Turn brake rotor down, sand brake pads down.
Hollow front sway bar.
Update/backdate parts from lesser model.
Of course there is more, but you get the gesture.


Cliff
369 "sts" civic

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Maxim

Yeah, that would be a hefty price to pay for a 2 mpg increase. Good thing that reducing weight pays dividends to every aspect of performance...braking, cornering, acceleration, mpg, tire life....

I guess I don't see why you're having trouble understanding why I would want to reduce weight. This car centers around being light-weight. Of course I want to make it more-so.

It's a mass produced car. There will be numerous things that can be swapped out for better quality, lighter weight components without impacting the day-to-day comfort.

Yeah, this car's goal is to be well balanced p/w ratio, w/ a lower COF making it fun to drive. I absolutely agree, there are going to be plenty of aftermarket parts available for this car.

I'm sure it makes for a good forum discussion but the weight hasn't even been announced and you're already talking about making it lighter yet you want to keep the AC and radio in it and it's going to be a DD car!?! Offramp...ooooohhh how fun!

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Originally Posted by Maxim

Ok, I didn't realize english was not your primary language. It looked like you were ignoring everything I said in my posts and telling me to just go buy a completely stripped out car - which I specifically said I did not want...repeatedly.

wait, I have a little bit of imagination to understand what you said and secondly, I´m sorry I didn´t read all of it because all of that ish some plp here´re postin´ , but i don´t feel it´s gonna be THAT car you are thinking of, come on a VerV GOLF GTI driver and truely I read a lot of your posts it´s gonna be hard for Toyota to overtrump this (not that a V Golf GTI is the best) but if it´s not going to overperform my MR2 then I WILL INVEST SOMEWHERE ELSE (do you hear me TOYOTA)

Belive me, TESTDRIVE it! It´s all about that, then you can decide and JUDGE!

belive me! :happy0180:

[Maxim]

Originally Posted by TomGT

wait, I have a little bit of imagination to understand what you said and secondly, I´m sorry I didn´t read all of it because all of that ish some plp here´re postin´ , but i don´t feel it´s gonna be THAT car you are thinking of, come on a VerV GOLF GTI driver and truely I read a lot of your posts it´s gonna be hard for Toyota to overtrump this (not that a V Golf GTI is the best) but if it´s not going to overperform my MR2 then I WILL INVEST SOMEWHERE ELSE (do you hear me TOYOTA)

Belive me, TESTDRIVE it! It´s all about that, then you can decide and JUDGE!

belive me! :happy0180:

I always test drive cars I'm interested in even if some of the stats are not what I was hoping. I'm all about giving things a fair shot to impress me.

And yes, I'm aware that the car has a definite up-hill battle in terms of refinement compared with my GTI. I fully expect the interior to be significantly lower quality, which I am ok with so long as it is still of equal comfort. Just the fact that the car is rear-wheel drive is worth a lot to me though....it's so much more fun than front wheel drive.

[Maxim]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Yeah, this car's goal is to be well balanced p/w ratio, w/ a lower COF making it fun to drive. I absolutely agree, there are going to be plenty of aftermarket parts available for this car.

I'm sure it makes for a good forum discussion but the weight hasn't even been announced and you're already talking about making it lighter yet you want to keep the AC and radio in it and it's going to be a DD car!?! Offramp...ooooohhh how fun!

You can always improve on things. Part of being a car-guy.... :happy0180: You would probably be unhappy if the car weighed 2900lbs...you'd either avoid it or look for ways to lighten it. Why not do the same for a 2750lb car? Bring it down to 2600lbs.

If the car weighed like 2200lbs (which is the next-gen Miata's target weight, BTW), I think I'd be ok with leaving it alone haha. Come to think of it, depending on when this thing actually gets released, I may have a real hard decision between a next-gen Miata and an FR-S. Hurry the F up Toyota!

On/off ramps are fun....but a true drivers road, like the dragon's tail, is infinitely more-so. I plan on the occasional trackday, plus frequent pleasure drives on surrounding roads. Finding a twisty, deserted road on a Sunday afternoon is one of my favorite things to do.

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Originally Posted by Maxim

I always test drive cars I'm interested in even if some of the stats are not what I was hoping. I'm all about giving things a fair shot to impress me.

as it should be!

Originally Posted by Maxim

And yes, I'm aware that the car has a definite up-hill battle in terms of refinement compared with my GTI. I fully expect the interior to be significantly lower quality, which I am ok with so long as it is still of equal comfort. Just the fact that the car is rear-wheel drive is worth a lot to me though....it's so much more fun than front wheel drive.

it´s not about the up/down-hill plus and the extraordinary interiour or rwd, it just has to MATCH you and your driving style or prefernce, everything else is secondary!

Sorry, if you don´t get me (or any one of u), I will try to explain it to u in German!

[Maxim]

Originally Posted by TomGT

as it should be!



it´s not about the up/down-hill plus and the extraordinary interiour or rwd, it just has to MATCH you and your driving style or prefernce, everything else is secondary!

Sorry, if you don´t get me (or any one of u), I will try to explain it to u in German!

No, I completely understand you. The car needs to match my personality.

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Originally Posted by Maxim

No, I completely understand you. The car needs to match my personality.

right, and if it don´t, it don´t!

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by Merlin

I see where this is going. I plan to auto-x this car in the stock class, maybe G-stock. More likely D-stock.
Reducing weight can gain performance everywhere.
First, aftermarket cat-back,
Double adjustable aluminum shocks.
Remove everything that is not bolted down, spare tire and jack.
Empty water in the windshield wiper washer container.
Empty radiator overflow container.
Half filled master cylinder, half fill radiator.
Turn brake rotor down, sand brake pads down.
Hollow front sway bar.
Update/backdate parts from lesser model.
Of course there is more, but you get the gesture.


Cliff
369 "sts" civic

As long as it can do 60 in 2nd gear. :happy0180:

Nelson
22 ESP Cobra

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Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

As long as it can do 60 in 2nd gear. :happy0180:

dreamer

[bigbcraig]

I'm really astounded at y'all's creativity. Titanium everything and CNC'd aluminum framework? You're going to double the price of the car.

First lets look at the stock weight and do some simple little things. All I plan to do to start out is to switch to a lightweight battery and relocate to the back of the back seat, and add lightweight wheels. Even on a light car those are two huge things you can do that make a difference you can feel.

After that, perhaps a seat depending on what's OEM, perhaps an aftermarket head unit and speakers, if I had the money coilovers (good quality, not cheap ones ), 2-piece brakes would increase performance with negligable NVH.

But I feel Toyota's going to get the weight pretty low - they've been talking about lightweight literally the whole time. I think that a round of bushings and springs / dampers will be almost mandatory to get the 'toyota' out, I know just a few transformed my WRX.
To the extent that I really don't mind being bumped up a class for Solo to one I'm not competitive in.

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

As long as it can do 60 in 2nd gear. :happy0180:

One of the best things about having a WRX and a friend with an STI... I'm yet to use third in an autocross but I know the sound of his rev limiter well.