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[madfast]

im personally dead set on AT unless the reviews come out that it shifts like crap. wheel mounted vs column mounted isnt that big of an issue. at least it comes with paddles...

sure with a manual you're more involved, but with a good, sporty manual mode, the paddles are just as much fun imo... can you do the same things as a manual? no. but i dont plan to do burnouts and drift or anything like that. weekend autocross or track day? i dont see why auto with paddle shifting is so evil? maybe im just spoiled because the SST is such a wonderful dct. we'll have to wait and see what the auto is like on the car. im hoping that they use the tech from the IS-F...

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by madfast

im personally dead set on AT unless the reviews come out that it shifts like crap. wheel mounted vs column mounted isnt that big of an issue. at least it comes with paddles...

sure with a manual you're more involved, but with a good, sporty manual mode, the paddles are just as much fun imo... can you do the same things as a manual? no. but i dont plan to do burnouts and drift or anything like that. weekend autocross or track day? i dont see why auto with paddle shifting is so evil? maybe im just spoiled because the SST is such a wonderful dct. we'll have to wait and see what the auto is like on the car. im hoping that they use the tech from the IS-F...

I like being in total control of my car. So a manual will be for me. Plus it feels so much more responsive when you change gears. Especially the beautiful gear changing sound. :>

The good thing I see from paddle shifters are traffic. If you're falling asleep behind the wheel.. switching to AT wouldn't be so bad. Or those who have leg cramps or leg problems in general.

[ftw-86]

I'm getting an Automatic because I'm lazy.

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by Giccin

I like being in total control of my car. So a manual will be for me. Plus it feels so much more responsive when you change gears. Especially the beautiful gear changing sound. :>

The good thing I see from paddle shifters are traffic. If you're falling asleep behind the wheel.. switching to AT wouldn't be so bad. Or those who have leg cramps or leg problems in general.

Long drives in traffic with leg cramps is the worst thing


I gotta say I drove both a F430 Scuderia and a Lamborghini Gallardo both with paddle shifters when I was in Vegas on their track and while it was really cool to use the paddle shifters and awesome driving cars I'll never own I can't say I enjoyed or felt connected to the car at all as oppose to driving around in a S2K shifting through the gears yourself

then again I could use be one of "those people" who believe in the stick

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

Long drives in traffic with leg cramps is the worst thing


I gotta say I drove both a F430 Scuderia and a Lamborghini Gallardo both with paddle shifters when I was in Vegas on their track and while it was really cool to use the paddle shifters and awesome driving cars I'll never own I can't say I enjoyed or felt connected to the car at all as oppose to driving around in a S2K shifting through the gears yourself

then again I could use be one of "those people" who believe in the stick

Generally depends on the person. :P You can be one of those who sometime feel like kickin' back and just driving or sometime you just want to push the car. :> But dang.. I want to drive a lambo.

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by Giccin

The good thing I see from paddle shifters are traffic. If you're falling asleep behind the wheel.. switching to AT wouldn't be so bad.

Actually I think it would be the other way around... If you are falling asleep the auto would require less attention allowing you to become more tired. But in a manual that attention requirement will keep you up.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by xantonin

Actually I think it would be the other way around... If you are falling asleep the auto would require less attention allowing you to become more tired. But in a manual that attention requirement will keep you up.

^

Automatics make it easier for you to do things that take your attention away from driving, unlike manuals.

But even a manual requires little attention span on the interstate.

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by xantonin

If you are falling asleep the auto would require less attention allowing you to become more tired. But in a manual that attention requirement will keep you up.

Truth. I stopped dozing off on freeway commutes after I started driving stick 7 years ago.

[Giccin]

I meant like for those who have trouble clutching 1/2nd Ya know?!

I have a blast while driving stick during traffic. Other drivers wonder wth I'm doing since I start jamming out to music and make shift noises when traffic is 10-15mph. Lol

[ryun84]

Originally Posted by Giccin

I have a blast while driving stick during traffic. Other drivers wonder wth I'm doing since I start jamming out to music and make shift noises when traffic is 10-15mph. Lol

So THAT'S who I saw on the freeway. I was about to say hi, but then you started dancing and making funny noises, so I just drove by and pretended not to notice...

... J/K! J/K!!

[Zaku]

Take this to the auto vs manual thread goodness so repetitive same rude ass people too. Jk

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by madfast

no its not. when you have the wheel fully turned, you cannot hit the paddle to upshift if you want to. its that simple. if you've spent enough time behind the wheel of a paddle shift car, this will eventually happen to you. sometimes you want to manually shift, but at the same time not drive like a street racer.

its not a contradiction. i want to choose my own gears, but if you have wheel mounted paddles, some instances will come up where you cant access them if you're turning the wheel. with column mounted paddles, i always know where they are.

and yes you can say buy a stick or leave it in auto or use the console shifter... but that still doesnt solve the problem that i presented. with column mounted paddles, there is no problem...

For this I did an observation in daily driving scenarios. In parking lot driving and low speed turn, you do need to turn your wheel 1/2 to a full circle. In those situations, if you need to shift using paddle, with a wheel-mounted paddle it is difficult to do so, especially if you shuffle your hand for turning. On the other hand, having a column-mounted paddle you will have no problem.

E.g. in a community starting from dead stop to make a right turn, you will need to turn the wheel 1/2 to 1 full circle and you do need to shift from 1st to 2nd gear.

However, in a track or winding roads where you only need to turn < 1/2 circle in either direction, having a wheel mounted paddle will help you since you can always keep your hands at 3-9 o'clock location. And I think this is where Tsuchiya san's comment came to effect. And this is proven by the way F1 cars are using the wheel mounted paddles.

IMHO, for street car, column mounted paddles seem to have less problems compared with wheel mounted paddles, but for race-oriented cars wheel mounted paddles seems to be better suited.

[Random_Art]

I suppose if one is ambitious enough, they could move and remount the paddles to a location that better suits their driving style. hell, hook up a kinect bar to the dash between the wheel and the gauge cluster and program in a system so all you have to do is flick your hand forward or back to shift without ever actually having to deal with a physical paddle.

um, excuse me while I go patent that idea....

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Random_Art

I suppose if one is ambitious enough, they could move and remount the paddles to a location that better suits their driving style. hell, hook up a kinect bar to the dash between the wheel and the gauge cluster and program in a system so all you have to do is flick your hand forward or back to shift without ever actually having to deal with a physical paddle.

um, excuse me while I go patent that idea....

IDK, you're forgetting there are these kind of ppl driving and kinect see the head instead of hands and shift up and down back and forth