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dsgerbc · 09-22-2012, 05:52 PM

This thread makes me sad.

Miniata · 09-22-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dsgerbc

This thread makes me sad.

Why? Were you hoping for STR?

dsgerbc · 09-22-2012, 06:24 PM

Nope. Nothing about the actual ruling. Just in general I'm sad that to be competitive in a class that is just one set of mods away from 'stock' one has to compromise OEM powertrain reliability.

Miniata · 09-22-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Nope. Nothing about the actual ruling. Just in general I'm sad that to be competitive in a class that is just one set of mods away from 'stock' one has to compromise OEM powertrain reliability.

You do have a point. Personally I don't plan on trying to make mine nationally competitive, mostly local events with an occasional divisional or national tour event, and I'm not going to be pushing the ragged edge, risking any powertrain issues, just isn't worth it to me for what I want out of the car.

Sccabrz192 · 09-22-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Nope. Nothing about the actual ruling. Just in general I'm sad that to be competitive in a class that is just one set of mods away from 'stock' one has to compromise OEM powertrain reliability.

What makes you think a STX build will result in an unreliable powertrain?

dsgerbc · 09-22-2012, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sccabrz192

What makes you think a STX build will result in an unreliable powertrain?

If your tune isn't aggressive - you're leaving time on the course.

apexaddict · 09-23-2012, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dsgerbc

If your tune isn't aggressive - you're leaving time on the course.

This is splitting hairs, though. You could say the same about Wheel X being 1lb. heavier than Wheel Y, but at the end of the day, it's all within noise. A reasonable E85 tune will still make more power than any 93 tune and be just as safe, if not more so.

Nevermind the fact that power is pretty far down the list of importance anyway...

xwd · 09-23-2012, 11:02 AM

In the end I don't think you'll have to tune to the ragged edge to get it competitive.

7thgear · 09-24-2012, 03:51 PM

anyone else read the bulletin in full?

the following rule change offends me...

"2. The use at an event by any participant of any federal Schedule 1 controlled substance (including marijuana) (ie, we're writing this rule specifically for all you crazed potsmokers out there that are poisoning our crops and stealing our children in the night),
or other drugs that affect the ability of the participant to safely participate in the event or may otherwise adversely
affect the safety or integrity of the event, is specifically prohibited. Any participant who violates this prohibition
• shall not seek to participate in the event
• may be excluded from the event by the event chairman
• may be removed from the grounds by the order of the event chairman or chief steward
• may be penalized as provided in Section 9.
As a condition of continued participation, the participant may be required to submit to such testing procedures as
may be established by SCCA in its sole discretion. Failure or refusal to submit to such testing shall be deemed
a violation of the above prohibitions. However, SCCA assumes no obligation or duty to establish such testing
procedures and/or to test participants on a random basis or in a specific case."

ABQautoxer · 09-24-2012, 05:27 PM

In my experience with SCCA rules, things like this are added/changed/modified because it was an issue at an event within the last year.

I'm not offended but I guess its because I don't want people doing drugs or under the influence of them anyway while racing. Plus its an insurance liability. I hear they make you paranoid...

Kido1986 · 09-24-2012, 05:42 PM

You mean it's bad to be high as a kite and then attempt to pilot a nearly 1.5 ton pile of steel and aluminum quickly around a parking alot with people standing around nearby? I can't for the life of me understand why they wouldn't appreciate this.

fastmike · 09-25-2012, 12:27 AM

The SCCA is going to drug test us? WTF?

7thgear · 09-25-2012, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kido1986

You mean it's bad to be high as a kite and then attempt to pilot a nearly 1.5 ton pile of steel and aluminum quickly around a parking alot with people standing around nearby? I can't for the life of me understand why they wouldn't appreciate this.

weed is not alcohol, crack, shrooms, LSD etc.

Every day the government shoves it down your throat that weed is bad and now we have another organization enforcing the lies.

xwd · 09-25-2012, 09:49 AM

While I am generally for the total legalization of marijuana I don't think an autocross is necessarily the right venue for that.

Back on topic, what are folks using for brake pads? I've had good luck with the Stoptech pads in the past and was just going to go with those for street and autocross.

For the STX guys, Essex has this AP brake kit out for the BRZ which drops 20lbs off the front of the car:

http://www.essexparts.com/shop/compe...-frs-gt86.html

I've had mixed results with the Wilwood Dynalite calipers but if you really want something lightweight these should bolt right up and are quite a bit cheaper.

http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/A...Kit-Front.html

09-24-2012, 03:51 PM	#51
7thgear i'm sorry, what? Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Canada Location: I rock a beat harder than you can beat it with rocks Posts: 4,399 Thanks: 357 Thanked 2,508 Times in 1,268 Posts Mentioned: 40 Post(s)	anyone else read the bulletin in full? the following rule change offends me... "2. The use at an event by any participant of any federal Schedule 1 controlled substance (including marijuana) (ie, we're writing this rule specifically for all you crazed potsmokers out there that are poisoning our crops and stealing our children in the night), or other drugs that affect the ability of the participant to safely participate in the event or may otherwise adversely affect the safety or integrity of the event, is specifically prohibited. Any participant who violates this prohibition • shall not seek to participate in the event • may be excluded from the event by the event chairman • may be removed from the grounds by the order of the event chairman or chief steward • may be penalized as provided in Section 9. As a condition of continued participation, the participant may be required to submit to such testing procedures as may be established by SCCA in its sole discretion. Failure or refusal to submit to such testing shall be deemed a violation of the above prohibitions. However, SCCA assumes no obligation or duty to establish such testing procedures and/or to test participants on a random basis or in a specific case." __________________ don't you think if I was wrong, I'd know it?

09-24-2012, 05:27 PM	#52
ABQautoxer Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2021 Supra / 2022 Tundra Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 659 Thanks: 60 Thanked 197 Times in 141 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s)	In my experience with SCCA rules, things like this are added/changed/modified because it was an issue at an event within the last year. I'm not offended but I guess its because I don't want people doing drugs or under the influence of them anyway while racing. Plus its an insurance liability. I hear they make you paranoid... __________________ TomR

09-25-2012, 09:49 AM	#56
xwd Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 2013 DGM Subaru BRZ (Subie #9) Location: ATL, US Posts: 2,667 Thanks: 123 Thanked 861 Times in 552 Posts Mentioned: 32 Post(s)	While I am generally for the total legalization of marijuana I don't think an autocross is necessarily the right venue for that. Back on topic, what are folks using for brake pads? I've had good luck with the Stoptech pads in the past and was just going to go with those for street and autocross. For the STX guys, Essex has this AP brake kit out for the BRZ which drops 20lbs off the front of the car: http://www.essexparts.com/shop/compe...-frs-gt86.html I've had mixed results with the Wilwood Dynalite calipers but if you really want something lightweight these should bolt right up and are quite a bit cheaper. http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/A...Kit-Front.html Last edited by xwd; 09-25-2012 at 10:00 AM.

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09-22-2012, 05:52 PM	#43
dsgerbc Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: BRZ(sold), STI Location: A2, MI Posts: 1,915 Thanks: 176 Thanked 419 Times in 241 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s)	This thread makes me sad.

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dsgerbc Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: BRZ(sold), STI Location: A2, MI Posts: 1,915 Thanks: 176 Thanked 419 Times in 241 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s)	Nope. Nothing about the actual ruling. Just in general I'm sad that to be competitive in a class that is just one set of mods away from 'stock' one has to compromise OEM powertrain reliability.

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