Assumption: Subaru=Turbo / Scion=NA

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

I live down the street from a Hyundai dealership and i pass by it everyday on my way to work, theres a shit load of genesis coupes there and iv test drove a few of them, most are the manual 2.0 turbos. They just been sitting there for some time. However the sonatas are selling like crazy, that or they are constantly being moved around but i never see the same Sonatas in the lot. But i see the same Genesis Coupes there every week.

Well Wings in his Seattle region prove both me and madfast wrong. I say you can't find manual versions because they are sold and he says they don't have niche cars in manuals on dealer lots(which is funny). Then you come here and say you have multiples sitting for weeks where you live.

In PA and the tri-state area sells them fast we do a lot of functions/events in this region and over 10 race tracks less than a 2 hour drive away. Not many 3.8v6 models are sold though, just a lot of base, track and r-spec 2.0T models.

Atco, Etown, Maple Grove, Island, NJMP, Pocono, Watkins, SPWV, Beave Run, Beaver Springs, VIR. Then over 10 major autocross regions.

I know you have PIR and I can't think of anything else up your way.

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by madfast

yes and the base coupe 2.0T is 22k. how come they didnt sell more of that car? could it be nobody is buying sportscars nowadays?

the gen sedan was mentioned only because the TOTAL sales of all genesis cars was 2600. that would include the sedan, 3.8, and 2.0T... proof positive that gen coupes arent flying out the door like you surmise.

Hardly true, sports cars have a place and it's not in the major revenue department. Toyota, Scion, Subaru do/should not need to rely on this car for sales instead use it as a promotion tool to make company look good while making a few bucks and using it's design for future development.

Last time I checked I can get an R-Spec for $22.4k(before tax, tags, title). They are selling, check how many are being brought in every month. If they bring in 2800/month at the port and sell 2600 I'd say that is good if they have say 200 dealers in the US then that's only 1 left over per dealer a month. The Sedans at $36k+ are very hard to sell, at this point in Hyundai's life $30k is the most they should be selling cars for, although they have a bigger car than the Gen Sedan, the EQUUS for $58k.

[madfast]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Not many 3.8v6 models are sold though, just a lot of base, track and r-spec 2.0T models.

again, 2648 total genesis models sold in april 2011
2664 for march
2441 for feb
etc....

by comparison camaro sales april 2011: 10,852
mustang: 8180

different cars, for sure, but THOSE numbers mean cars are flying out the door...

[madfast]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Hardly true, sports cars have a place and it's not in the major revenue department. Toyota, Scion, Subaru do/should not need to rely on this car for sales instead use it as a promotion tool to make company look good while making a few bucks and using it's design for future development.

Last time I checked I can get an R-Spec for $22.4k(before tax, tags, title). They are selling, check how many are being brought in every month. If they bring in 2800/month at the port and sell 2600 I'd say that is good if they have say 200 dealers in the US then that's only 1 left over per dealer a month. The Sedans at $36k+ are very hard to sell, at this point in Hyundai's life $30k is the most they should be selling cars for, although they have a bigger car than the Gen Sedan, the EQUUS for $58k.

you're making the halo car argument? toyota who makes the LFA? subaru who makes the STI??? and you're gonna say this car is supposed to be a halo car? for scion maybe... this car is a volume car. scion is a volume brand. they make them stylish, sell them cheap, and make money. they arent in it to take a loss and use it as an engineering exercise or halo car. the car was made to sell, and its price and performance will reflect that.

your math sucks. its based on way too many assumptions. MSRP and actual reported sales are FACTS not conjecture. 2600 combined genesis sales does not mean these cars are selling well.

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Simply telling someone that you don't agree with to leave the forum because they share a different outlook on something makes no sense.

wrong. toyota said they were gonna make car A. so people who like car A come to the car A forum. but some people want car A to be car B, so they come to the car A forum and repeatedly ask for car B. it's like a 370z guy coming to a ae86 forum and repeatedly saying the ae86 needs to be more like the 370z. or a genesis coupe guy coming to an s2000 forum and repeatedly saying the s2000 needs to be more like the genesis. simply put, they don't belong there.

for the record, i am NOT against there being a turbo option. HOWEVER, toyota and subaru already stated this car is NOT ABOUT POWER, and there WON'T BE A TURBO OPTION AT LAUNCH, NOR ARE THEY PLANNING ONE AT THE MOMENT.

at this point, bringing it up again and again is JUST CLUTTER.

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

370z is 30k+, yes appearance is debatable, and only sits 2 and no room for my 2 kids and a lot of other people who have kids or pets they'd like to put in the small backseat of this car.

ok, so let me get this straight, you want a Z that's below 30k with a back seat and decent storage space? don't you think your expectations are a little unrealistic?

the genesis is priced low because the Koreans have an inherent macro-economic advantage when it comes to lowering the msrp of their cars. same with the domestics. a low volume 2 door jdm with Z car like power that costs less than a Z is simply not economically feasible. if it was possible they'd just lower the price of the Z.

i hear the mustang has fold flat rear seats, 13.4 cubic feet of trunk space and lots of hp.

[Allch Chcar]

Hey I just want to remind you all that Subaru doesn't have a FB turbo engines yet. They're working on the N/A version first and the only rumor I've heard is of the 1.6L Turbo with Cosworth to re-enter the WRC. It's going be a few years before they're finished with any turbo versions on the FB just yet. So right now all they have is the EJs turbo.

I'm not even going to suggest that this forum is N/A dominated. That's silly. Quite a few of us are turbo junkies on this forum. The reason we're here is for a cheap, lightweight, RWD. It's really easy to get picky but it's the only car in it's class at this point. You have to find cars in the same price range but different class to even find something to compare it against. I think it should be compared to the Miata, the RX-8, the Civic, and anything else in it's size category, FWD or even AWD. There isn't a lot of RWD vehicles in this size and market that the FT-86 is centered on.

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Quite a few of us are turbo junkies on this forum.

yes and i have no problem with that.

i do have a problem with people complaining non-stop that there needs to be a factory turbo option, blindly insisting that there will be a turbo option on launch when subaru engineers said themselves that there won't, and i have a problem with people suggesting that the car is too underpowered and will fail if it's n/a. like it or not the engineers designed this car at least intially with n/a in mind. if that's not enough for you well boost it yourself when it comes out or wait around for a factory turbo option, but DON'T RAIN ON OUR PARADE.

[Matador]

Why can't everybody just get along? A Turbo version further down the line isn't going o take anything away from the NA car, and the car being NA on debut doesn't mean that it isn't going to be great. WTF guys?

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

the car being NA on debut doesn't mean that it isn't going to be great.

exactly. the turbo guys make it sound like even having an n/a option will make the car a sales failure. ridiculous, especially considering they want a turbo and low msrp too. gimmie a break.

[bofa]

I'm good either way. Would prefer turbo but the lets let the dead horse RIP.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by cyde01

exactly. the turbo guys make it sound like even having an n/a option will make the car a sales failure. ridiculous, especially considering they want a turbo and low msrp too. gimmie a break.

Not gonna get both. Willing to be that any factory turbo version of this car will cross the $30k barrier, and if it stays close in weight to the NA spec it will quickly go into "370Z fast" territory.

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Not gonna get both. Willing to be that any factory turbo version of this car will cross the $30k barrier, and if it stays close in weight to the NA spec it will quickly go into "370Z fast" territory.

My thoughts exactly...a turbo will shoot this cars P:W into some serious categories...370z killer indeed. but being price below 25k doesn't seem realistic.

[Laika]

Forgive me if this is selfish but I hope they don't make a turbo version. I want to own the nicest trim level there is because I don't want myself to feel like I half hearted the purchase of this car after waiting so long (I don't care about other peoples opinions, just how it would make me feel in the long run). With that said, I don't want it to be 370z fast. That would be cool and all but 200hp seems perfect. Maybe even on the verge of a bit too much, but I'd be very happy with 200hp from an NA. I'm not particularly old but I have an old school mentality with cars. Just keep it simple. I love the AE86 and what it stands for. I also love Subaru and what they stand for. The bastard child of the two is a match made in heaven for me.

[cyde01]

yeah that's kind of selfish lol