Why doesnt Toyota make its own motor for the FT-86?? - Page 8 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

S2KtoFT86 · 11-13-2009, 04:06 PM

Sounds pretty good.

Matador · 11-13-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

I'm lost. All I did was, being sarcastic on the "eyes deceiving" bit, point out that yamaha did infact have involvement with the JZ series of engines.

So, whatcha driving at?

miswording on my part, that's all.

White Comet · 11-14-2009, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NESW20

-Mike

First one sounded pretty good. The last two were too fartcan-ish for my tastes.

awatt32 · 11-14-2009, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Siriusly.Andrew

Could you link the source please, I'd like to read more into it.

And doesn't the Subaru site say the N/A motors produce 170bhp?

I will dig out the source but I am sure it came from an interview with one of the FT-86 design team. We also need to watch out for this 170 -180 Bhp figure on the existing boxer N/A engines as this tends to be a 2.5l and we will only get a 2.0l. If you look at the existing 2.0L boxers sold in the UK they tend to be around the 140 - 150 Bhp range and even th N/A Celicas have tended to be around the 150 Bhp range with the exception of the VVTL-i which scrapes 190 Bhp using some trick cam's but this is only available above 6000 rpm and is almost usless.

http://http://www.subaru.co.uk/Subar...menuid=M0M3M10

Blokatos · 11-15-2009, 06:14 AM

Boxers are my favorite engine layout. They give designers more space to design a lower bonnet line and a more aerodynamically efficient profile. They have the tendency to rev easier and higher, less vibrations, shorter (thus lighter) crankshaft and are better balanced internally by design.

As for the output, I am interested more about torque and torque curve. If Toyota can make it a good sports engine by using the twin injection technology (as described in another thread) direct and indirect, that would be a good thing, especially if it is a fuel effiecient one too.

Ideally for me, a 2 ltr boxer 4 with 21 kgm torque max at 4500 rpm, 90% available from 2000 rpm, and 180 hp at say 7000 and the limiter 500-600 after that. Perfect to match with a light weight and properly wheel sized sports RWD.

ddoouugg · 11-15-2009, 11:36 AM

I would like to see a high revving motor with at least 200bhp stock.
As for why doesn't toyota make their own engine? It's cause toyota motors are boring as hell.

ichitaka05 · 11-15-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ddoouugg

I would like to see a high revving motor with at least 200bhp stock.
As for why doesn't toyota make their own engine? It's cause toyota motors are boring as hell.

Now, now. I don't know Toyota motors are boring as hell, but their motors are used by different companies. That says something.

MtnDrvr86 · 11-15-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Now, now. I don't know Toyota motors are boring as hell, but their motors are used by different companies. That says something.

Yep lotus has been using them for a while, and the camry v6 is is the new Evora

OldSkoolToys · 11-15-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ddoouugg

I would like to see a high revving motor with at least 200bhp stock.
As for why doesn't toyota make their own engine? It's cause toyota motors are boring as hell.

Toyota's cars in general are boring right now. That has nothing to do with their ability to make an exciting engine. Toyota doesn't have to prove anything in that department, as they've done it before, many many many times over.

ddoouugg · 11-15-2009, 06:00 PM

I suppose you have a point. I'd like to see them make an exciting engine in something less expensive than an lf-a. Even their sports car motors like the is-f motor are more boring than they should be.

NESW20 · 11-16-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ddoouugg

It's cause toyota motors are boring as hell.

hahahhahahahahahaahahahahahahhahahaahahahahaaahhah ahahaahhhahah.

-Mike

ddoouugg · 11-16-2009, 12:41 AM

Yes at Toyota motor can be made very fun by increasing displacement, adding a turbo and high compression.

OldSkoolToys · 11-16-2009, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ddoouugg

Yes at Toyota motor can be made very fun by increasing displacement, adding a turbo and high compression.

I disagree completely. My 4A-GE is donned in complete stock form, full of all its underpoweredness, and its still fun as hell to drive.

Siriusly.Andrew · 11-16-2009, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

I disagree completely. My 4A-GE is donned in complete stock form, full of all its underpoweredness, and its still fun as hell to drive.

word.

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Blokatos Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: MX5 Miata Mk2.5 1.6 Location: Here Posts: 132 Thanks: 86 Thanked 19 Times in 16 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Boxers are my favorite engine layout. They give designers more space to design a lower bonnet line and a more aerodynamically efficient profile. They have the tendency to rev easier and higher, less vibrations, shorter (thus lighter) crankshaft and are better balanced internally by design. As for the output, I am interested more about torque and torque curve. If Toyota can make it a good sports engine by using the twin injection technology (as described in another thread) direct and indirect, that would be a good thing, especially if it is a fuel effiecient one too. Ideally for me, a 2 ltr boxer 4 with 21 kgm torque max at 4500 rpm, 90% available from 2000 rpm, and 180 hp at say 7000 and the limiter 500-600 after that. Perfect to match with a light weight and properly wheel sized sports RWD.

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ddoouugg Advanced Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Drives: RSX Location: L.A. Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would like to see a high revving motor with at least 200bhp stock. As for why doesn't toyota make their own engine? It's cause toyota motors are boring as hell.

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ddoouugg Advanced Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Drives: RSX Location: L.A. Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I suppose you have a point. I'd like to see them make an exciting engine in something less expensive than an lf-a. Even their sports car motors like the is-f motor are more boring than they should be.

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ddoouugg Advanced Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Drives: RSX Location: L.A. Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yes at Toyota motor can be made very fun by increasing displacement, adding a turbo and high compression.

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