Toyota sold out

[SupraLove]

Toyota sold out. Honda never did this. Ever. It's the CARDINAL SIN of car manufacturers.

Putting a slushbox in a sportscar.

I understand, yeah, it's a good auto and that "it feels like DSG" stuff, but it's still a damn auto. DSGs are also auto – any transmission that can shift gears for you is still an automatic transmission. I don't have anything against automatics; I think they're a godsend for parents with smaller children, but here's why I despise them in a sports car: Automatics open up the car to a bunch of people that NEVER will use it to its full capability. Period. The majority of men and women who buy 2 door coupés buy them for looks, not practicality, nor performance. Most enthusiasts will see that just because a car is a coupé, it does not have to have sporting intentions. I see so many Civic coupés on the road (non-Si, of course) that have automatics. But for every 30 coupés I see, I only see ONE with an Si badge on the back. What is this proof of? That most people buying a coupé or convertible just want the look of a sports car, and none of the performance. If it's automatic, all the better.

How does this relate to Toyota selling out? Well, based on the statistics, Toyota simply added a slushbox to the GT86 to get more sales. That is a definite sellout. Honda understood that sports cars are meant to have manual transmissions. Period. None of this DCT nonsense. Nearly no one purchasing a DCT will EVER use it to its full potential. What percent of people track their cars? 4-5%, perhaps? Even then, a skilled MT driver can still beat the crap out of an inexperienced DCT driver on the track. Hell, a skilled MT driver can beat a skilled DCT driver if he tries hard enough.

These are sports cars. Not race cars. Remove the auto. The S2000 never came with a slushbox. Neither did the Si, nor the ITR. Keep it pure and manual. These cars are marketed as a "pure driving experience". Keep the promise. Please.

[jstans84]

Supras came in Automatic.

[bakerr6]

funny, so on the premise you have made, the gtr and the veyron are not considered sports cars. Oh wait, neither is a trans am, a corvette, camaro, mustang, or 90% of other sports cars developed today. You have to remember, an auto is going to allow others that cannot drive a manual, for various reasons, the ability to enjoy sports cars alike.

[SupraLove]

Originally Posted by jstans84

Supras came in Automatic.

Again, another sellout. It was just to get more customers. It's not like Supras were amazing track cars either... They were drag monsters and dyno queens. Doesn't mean they weren't legends, Supras are amazing, but I don't think most owners tracked their cars...

[Gearbanger]

Look its a cheap little economy car what did you expect?

[Shinji2787]

You are an angry little man.

[dulaman]

Um, what's the point of this thread? Nobody is holding a gun to your head making you buy an AT. You want a MT, then buy the MT. Toyota being able to sell more of these cars keeps the price lower for all of us. At least Toyota took the time to make (by almost all accounts) a pretty good AT for this car.

[SupraLove]

Originally Posted by bakerr6

funny, so on the premise you have made, the gtr and the veyron are not considered sports cars. Oh wait, neither is a trans am, a corvette, camaro, mustang, or 90% of other sports cars developed today. You have to remember, an auto is going to allow others that cannot drive a manual, for various reasons, the ability to enjoy sports cars alike.

I know I'm being a bit unreasonable, but think about it: the GT-R and Corvette are expensive cars meant to set track records. That's about it. Not a lot of driving experience is required to drive those cars with auto, and they aren't pure driving experiences like the twins. These cars are supposed to engage you in driving. An auto box just takes away from that.

And all the cars you listed are definitely sports cars, just not the automatic versions.

[denkigrve]

Originally Posted by SupraLove

Toyota sold out. Honda never did this. Ever. It's the CARDINAL SIN of car manufacturers.

Putting a slushbox in a sportscar.

I understand, yeah, it's a good auto and that "it feels like DSG" stuff, but it's still a damn auto. DSGs are also auto – any transmission that can shift gears for you is still an automatic transmission. I don't have anything against automatics; I think they're a godsend for parents with smaller children, but here's why I despise them in a sports car: Automatics open up the car to a bunch of people that NEVER will use it to its full capability. Period. The majority of men and women who buy 2 door coupés buy them for looks, not practicality, nor performance. Most enthusiasts will see that just because a car is a coupé, it does not have to have sporting intentions. I see so many Civic coupés on the road (non-Si, of course) that have automatics. But for every 30 coupés I see, I only see ONE with an Si badge on the back. What is this proof of? That most people buying a coupé or convertible just want the look of a sports car, and none of the performance. If it's automatic, all the better.

How does this relate to Toyota selling out? Well, based on the statistics, Toyota simply added a slushbox to the GT86 to get more sales. That is a definite sellout. Honda understood that sports cars are meant to have manual transmissions. Period. None of this DCT nonsense. Nearly no one purchasing a DCT will EVER use it to its full potential. What percent of people track their cars? 4-5%, perhaps? Even then, a skilled MT driver can still beat the crap out of an inexperienced DCT driver on the track. Hell, a skilled MT driver can beat a skilled DCT driver if he tries hard enough.

These are sports cars. Not race cars. Remove the auto. The S2000 never came with a slushbox. Neither did the Si, nor the ITR. Keep it pure and manual. These cars are marketed as a "pure driving experience". Keep the promise. Please.

People that would prefer an automatic shouldn't have to be forced to drive MT. Go read Moto-P's post about the Automatic. It's not your average automatic transmission. It's responsive, and quick. It's built with the pure driving experience in mind, and delivers shifts just like a manual (when in proper sport mode).

MT vs AT is a preference. One is not "better than the other" and boils down one's own personal choice in how they'd choose to drive their car.

[bakerr6]

Originally Posted by SupraLove

Again, another sellout. It was just to get more customers. It's not like Supras were amazing track cars either... They were drag monsters and dyno queens.

so the gtr is a sellout too then right?

[bakerr6]

Originally Posted by SupraLove

I know I'm being a bit unreasonable, but think about it: the GT-R and Corvette are expensive cars meant to set track records. That's about it. Not a lot of driving experience is required to drive those cars with auto, and they aren't pure driving experiences like the twins. These cars are supposed to engage you in driving. An auto box just takes away from that.

And all the cars you listed are definitely sports cars, just not the automatic versions.

This makes absolutely no sense. The vette delivers the ultimate driving experience. Have you ever driven a new vette? They are amazing machines

[Hanakuso]

Sold out? I think it was a smart business move to increase sales and keep the higher ups at Toyota happy. Win-win situation IMO. I can careless if people have the same car as me but with an automatic

[SupraLove]

Originally Posted by bakerr6

This makes absolutely no sense. The vette delivers the ultimate driving experience. Have you ever driven a new vette? They are amazing machines

It was aimed more towards the GT-R. I see women driving Vette convertible autos all the time. Are they going to use the performance potential of the Corvette? No. Is the enthusiast community happy? No. Is GM happy? Oh yes, because they got their $$$.

[whataboutbob]

Originally Posted by SupraLove

Toyota sold out. Honda never did this. Ever. It's the CARDINAL SIN of car manufacturers.

Putting a slushbox in a sportscar.

I understand, yeah, it's a good auto and that "it feels like DSG" stuff, but it's still a damn auto. DSGs are also auto – any transmission that can shift gears for you is still an automatic transmission. I don't have anything against automatics; I think they're a godsend for parents with smaller children, but here's why I despise them in a sports car: Automatics open up the car to a bunch of people that NEVER will use it to its full capability. Period. The majority of men and women who buy 2 door coupés buy them for looks, not practicality, nor performance. Most enthusiasts will see that just because a car is a coupé, it does not have to have sporting intentions. I see so many Civic coupés on the road (non-Si, of course) that have automatics. But for every 30 coupés I see, I only see ONE with an Si badge on the back. What is this proof of? That most people buying a coupé or convertible just want the look of a sports car, and none of the performance. If it's automatic, all the better.

How does this relate to Toyota selling out? Well, based on the statistics, Toyota simply added a slushbox to the GT86 to get more sales. That is a definite sellout. Honda understood that sports cars are meant to have manual transmissions. Period. None of this DCT nonsense. Nearly no one purchasing a DCT will EVER use it to its full potential. What percent of people track their cars? 4-5%, perhaps? Even then, a skilled MT driver can still beat the crap out of an inexperienced DCT driver on the track. Hell, a skilled MT driver can beat a skilled DCT driver if he tries hard enough.

These are sports cars. Not race cars. Remove the auto. The S2000 never came with a slushbox. Neither did the Si, nor the ITR. Keep it pure and manual. These cars are marketed as a "pure driving experience". Keep the promise. Please.