First Spy Pics of Scion FR-S / Toyota FT-86 Production Test Mule! (Updated 5/17)

[jayjayjayjay]

It will be coming with FB20 with a Toyota head. Don't ask my source. Enjoy reading up on the FB, but the Toyota head is new to all of us. JJJJ

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by jayjayjayjay

It will be coming with FB20 with a Toyota head. Don't ask my source. Enjoy reading up on the FB, but the Toyota head is new to all of us. JJJJ

Any info on what the Toyota head will consist of besides D4-S?

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by enc0re

Sorry, it's a trunk. Look at the green circle. The window would be framed if it were a hatch. Look at the red circle. You can see through the trunk lid gap onto the window. Not hatch.

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

What Enc0re said. There's no reason to believe that they changed it to a hatch. It's always been a coupe. And you can see for yourself in the photo, there isn't any gaps for a hatch.

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Honda fit says not really

Does not have to be framed. The red circle could be part of the camo from the spoiler.

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Whoa, that rear trunk area has me rethinking the whole hatch idea. If it was a hatch that'd be a really snug fit. But why is the trunk lines flush with the window? Is that normal? It is a lot of rear window angle for a coupe .

Edit2: Hmm, now I've got to look at the Honda Fit hatch, as your pic didn't work, Matador.

Edit3: Need a better picture...
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I concur with Matador about the frameless hatch. The VW New Beetle has a hatch and it is not framed from the outside. If you look closely on the rear window, you see that black area enclosing the window. That could mean that black area is hiding the frame inside the hatch, and the hinge will just lie within that area. This is similar to the one found in New Beetle.

Then you may say there is no enough gap between the window and the c pillar. For that, they can achieve it simply by taping over the gaps to hide that detail. In fact, if you look at the top portion of the rear window, you see a bit of camo in actually on the window itself. And there seems to be a gap on that side as well so that they need to tape it over to hide it.

As to the red circle, it MkII the trunk line and window are not flush, and that is not a good sign for a hatch door. However, that little gap can be used to direct rain water to the side if designed properly so that is not a definitive evidence.

By now you should see that I am all for the hatch, as Allch_Chcar said that if that is a coupe, the large rear window is just a waste of space.

Just a side note. No one actually points out that the rear trunk (hatch?) door is different from the Mk II. It is actually close to the FR-S (Mk III) in turns of the design. I would see this as a mixture of Mk II and Mk III, but fundamentally this is the same car from Mk I with little changes on the chassis. No need to fuss and get angry because this is still the same car with some minor changes...

:happy0180:

Edit: actually if you look at the right side of the rear window (opposite side of the green circle), you can see a gap between the window and the chassis, and the camo tape that tapes over the sheet metal but not the window. That finding further suggests that this is a fastback rather than a trunk...

[blur]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I was going off the visual appearance only (yes we know about the drivetrain) since you seem to want to correlate this "test mule"/prototype seen in Germany as = Subaru version instead of the Toyota/Scion version.

I was going on this too:


As PAImportTuner said, there are similarities with front door window, and big side mirrors. Another thing I noted was the fog lights looking similar.

BTW, why cant this be a Subaru? Whats your logic?

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by blur

As PAImportTuner said, there are similarities with front door window, and big side mirrors. Another thing I noted was the fog lights looking similar.

[blur]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Ah. I see. Thanks for clearing that up.



Ontopic, the mule is growing on me

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by blur

Ah. I see. Thanks for clearing that up.



Ontopic, the mule is growing on me

I just meant that you keep digging, trying to find reasons for why this isn't the Toyota version and how it has to be the Subaru version. I realize like many of us you really liked the FR-S, but not sure why you need to keep finding reasons for why this is the Subaru version when really none of them are solid reasons.

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

I concur with Matador about the frameless hatch. The VW New Beetle has a hatch and it is not framed from the outside. If you look closely on the rear window, you see that black area enclosing the window. That could mean that black area is hiding the frame inside the hatch, and the hinge will just lie within that area. This is similar to the one found in New Beetle.

Then you may say there is no enough gap between the window and the c pillar. For that, they can achieve it simply by taping over the gaps to hide that detail. In fact, if you look at the top portion of the rear window, you see a bit of camo in actually on the window itself. And there seems to be a gap on that side as well so that they need to tape it over to hide it.

As to the red circle, it MkII the trunk line and window are not flush, and that is not a good sign for a hatch door. However, that little gap can be used to direct rain water to the side if designed properly so that is not a definitive evidence.

By now you should see that I am all for the hatch, as Allch_Chcar said that if that is a coupe, the large rear window is just a waste of space.

Just a side note. No one actually points out that the rear trunk (hatch?) door is different from the Mk II. It is actually close to the FR-S (Mk III) in turns of the design. I would see this as a mixture of Mk II and Mk III, but fundamentally this is the same car from Mk I with little changes on the chassis. No need to fuss and get angry because this is still the same car with some minor changes...

:happy0180:

Edit: actually if you look at the right side of the rear window (opposite side of the green circle), you can see a gap between the window and the chassis, and the camo tape that tapes over the sheet metal but not the window. That finding further suggests that this is a fastback rather than a trunk...

Idk why people want this to be a hatch/fastback. If it's a 2+2 seating arrangement, then there will be no room to utilize the hatch. I'd rather have a deep trunk than a long flat one.

[blur]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I just meant that you keep digging, trying to find reasons for why this isn't the Toyota version and how it has to be the Subaru version. I realize like many of us you really liked the FR-S, but not sure why you need to keep finding reasons for why this is the Subaru version when really none of them are solid reasons.

Whuh? dude I am looking for clues and possibilities as to what this could be, I'm not prejudice to what it turns out to be at all. Besides, WHY CANT IT BE A SUBARU, dammit? You have no basis to be making assumptions like that. In fact, you posting this directly hints at your own wants.

Idk why people want this to be a hatch/fastback. If it's a 2+2 seating arrangement, then there will be no room to utilize the hatch. I'd rather have a deep trunk than a long flat one.

Apparently we're supposed to be able to fit 4 wheels + jack in the back lol

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

Idk why people want this to be a hatch/fastback. If it's a 2+2 seating arrangement, then there will be no room to utilize the hatch. I'd rather have a deep trunk than a long flat one.

I want a liftback similar to the Celica but would be ok with a standard trunk:

[Franisco]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Correction: you really hope this is more than likely the Euro Toyo version.

Well, haven't they confirmed the Scion US version is called the FR-S? If they have, then they're not going to use the 86 badges..

[ichitaka05]

@tranz
Blur just said, "look like" Subie ver. Never said "it is" Subie ver. First I saw those pics, I said the same thing (look at the 2nd post).

Again, we're just speculating Toyota ver... but it could be Subie ver. As current info I know, IDK. They haven't got in touch w VP and other rep to tell them the info... yet

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

Idk why people want this to be a hatch/fastback. If it's a 2+2 seating arrangement, then there will be no room to utilize the hatch. I'd rather have a deep trunk than a long flat one.

lolwut....

No really.....


what?

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Franisco

Well, haven't they confirmed the Scion US version is called the FR-S? If they have, then they're not going to use the 86 badges..

I know they have called it the FR-S Concept, but I don't believe they have said what the production version will be called. Correct me if I am wrong on that.

Originally Posted by blur

Whuh? dude I am looking for clues and possibilities as to what this could be, I'm not prejudice to what it turns out to be at all. Besides, WHY CANT IT BE A SUBARU, dammit? You have no basis to be making assumptions like that. In fact, you posting this directly hints at your own wants.

Ok that's cool.

1) I say it's not a Subaru due to the fact that Subaru still hasn't shown off any exterior of their car except for the Subaru concept at Geneva which was the clear skeleton only.
2) In addition this looks very similar/has many similar features to the Mk2 FT-86 concept.
3) The license plate registered in Germany matches other Toyota test mules.
4) Hachi labeled the thread as Toyota/Scion so I trust his judgment.

Ultimately I really don't care which car this is since I am ok with the way it looks. In the end the Subaru version and Toyota version will look very similar. So really, it doesn't matter to me one way or another.