First Spy Pics of Scion FR-S / Toyota FT-86 Production Test Mule! (Updated 5/17)

[FR-HachiRoku]

The thing I want the most probably is the flared out fenders, but time will tell.

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by TRDLiquidSilver

if you want to get a better idea of what the production car will look like, look at the ft-86II that was shown in geneva. the fr-s shown at the ny auto show is a true "concept" while the ft-86II is 90% production ready in terms of "sheetmetal". the car your seeing there is 95% production ready, its not a mule anymore.

suspension testing is what your seeing there. they will run about close to 10+k miles on the ring in less than a month. in the process they will see and compare data recorded on fuji. one of the things you might see during testing in future photos will be different wheel and tire set ups. the car i was told if driven incorrectly has a tendency to snap oversteer, the suspension will be tuned to over but not to the point where the average driver won't be able to control it. they will test whether calibration or the need for a wider set up for the rear will help. that's where the rings multiple turns come in, the track is great for data gathering.

Thanks for your info and welcome back TRDLiquidSilver. :happy0180:

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Aki

I don't understand the backlash with this car. For awhile people were lamenting about how the MKII/III were too "edgy" and not clean like the first concept, now people are lamenting how it's not edgy enough. As far as concepts > production go, the FR-S seems to be one of the few that's keeping it really close.

This. Goes to show you can't please everyone. I still love the MkI, but it's hard to look at a production car looking as tame as the MkI and not think "Man, what if they had made it look like the MkIII" .

Originally Posted by 86er|n2

Ok did a quick work up based on Sea1monkey2's render but trying more to show underlying curves, its hard to deduce some of what is happening with the flat paint but its mostly like ft-86 II concept as people have said the size and height of arches is still a bit hard to figure out as well as the sink of bonnet

Nice job. There is a line running along the lower edge of the MkI/MKIII concepts

Lord wy can't the designers see that this in contrast with the curve on the hips (rear fenders) is what makes or breaks the design of the car?

Sheesh

Originally Posted by Flip

If you look closely, you can see shadows and highlights that mimic the FR-S rear fenders. I'm reserve judgement until I see the production version without camo.

I think this is the best thing we can all do. I guess we've become so confident in Toyota's ability to balls things up, we tend to worry a lot. Plus everyone is watching.

Originally Posted by TRDLiquidSilver

suspension testing is what your seeing there. they will run about close to 10+k miles on the ring in less than a month. in the process they will see and compare data recorded on fuji. one of the things you might see during testing in future photos will be different wheel and tire set ups. the car i was told if driven incorrectly has a tendency to snap oversteer, the suspension will be tuned to over but not to the point where the average driver won't be able to control it. they will test whether calibration or the need for a wider set up for the rear will help. that's where the rings multiple turns come in, the track is great for data gathering.

Snap oversteer

Oh well, get it right now so the morons don't go off the road backward into a tree. Better than having to neuter the car with and understeering front suspension geometry after the first model year ***cough***mr2***cough***

Originally Posted by Ryephile

Definitely the best de-camo job yet, bravo!

This reaffirms my analysis that the car appears to be mostly FT-86 II with the nose of the original FT-86 concept. Those that *hate* the front fender vent may not be in for good news down the road. Personally, I'm waiting to see all the flesh before making a final call on the aesthetics.

If the put that fender vent on the car I swear I'm going to hurt someone at Toyota's design studios.

Car should have just come out for frikkin ED2 and onto the production line.

[Semper]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

This. Goes to show you can't please everyone. I still love the MkI, but it's hard to look at a production car looking as tame as the MkI and not think "Man, what if they had made it look like the MkIII" .



Nice job. There is a line running along the lower edge of the MkI/MKIII concepts

Lord wy can't the designers see that this in contrast with the curve on the hips (rear fenders) is what makes or breaks the design of the car?

Sheesh

...

If the put that fender vent on the car I swear I'm going to hurt someone at Toyota's design studios.

Car should have just come out for frikkin ED2 and onto the production line.

Agreed 100%

That contour adds a lot

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by TRDLiquidSilver

the car i was told if driven incorrectly has a tendency to snap oversteer, the suspension will be tuned to over but not to the point where the average driver won't be able to control it.

thanks for the info trdliquidsilver!!!

snap oversteer, that's a bummer. one of the few things i didn't like about the s2000. i was hoping for something more easier to control at the limit, like the original ae86, miata, or even the "hands of buddha" LFA. but hey, any kind of oversteer is a lot more fun than torque steer. :happy0180:

edit: my 2 cents on the design. i really think it doesn't look bad, and don't know what everyone's complaining about, especially since we haven't seen the car without camo yet. i'm sure there will be body kits mimicking the look of the five axis fr-s eventually.

[ichitaka05]

^what's why they gonna test em out and do struts, springs, tires, & wheels offset setting

[cyde01]

well i have more faith in toyota that they'll figure this out than honda! i hope the car can fit deeper offsets!!!

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by cyde01

well i have more faith in toyota that they'll figure this out than honda! i hope the car can fit deeper offsets!!!

Having deeper offsets are nice... question is much pressure wheel hub bearing can handle it the deep offsets

[ftw-86]

Well, I guess this is the FRS. It does look small and nimble.

I'll reserve my final judgement once the camo are off and we can see the lines.
As far as proportions, it looks "Bubbly" like today's modern cars.

I just can't believe they teased us with the FRS and then take cues from the MKII.

[stevens8]

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but it looks like a hatchback and not a trunk. That's definitely a plus. This is pretty much what I expected for the production version and I think it's still looking good.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by TRDLiquidSilver

if you want to get a better idea of what the production car will look like, look at the ft-86II that was shown in geneva. the fr-s shown at the ny auto show is a true "concept" while the ft-86II is 90% production ready in terms of "sheetmetal". the car your seeing there is 95% production ready, its not a mule anymore.

suspension testing is what your seeing there. they will run about close to 10+k miles on the ring in less than a month. in the process they will see and compare data recorded on fuji. one of the things you might see during testing in future photos will be different wheel and tire set ups. the car i was told if driven incorrectly has a tendency to snap oversteer, the suspension will be tuned to over but not to the point where the average driver won't be able to control it. they will test whether calibration or the need for a wider set up for the rear will help. that's where the rings multiple turns come in, the track is great for data gathering.

So I guess you are indirectly confirming that this is the Toyota/Scion version and not a Subaru?

[cyde01]

so i guess the scion fr-s was more of a tuner car like the g sport concept?

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by stevens8

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but it looks like a hatchback and not a trunk. That's definitely a plus. This is pretty much what I expected for the production version and I think it's still looking good.

My eyes have been playing mean tricks on me with regards to the rear trunk/hatch area. I really can't tell with all the swirly camo. I sure you are right. Any chance you can point out what you see by drawing on a pic or describing what you see?

Originally Posted by cyde01

so i guess the scion fr-s was more of a tuner car like the g sport concept?

Yes it appears that way. If you read what Jack Hollis said "Now before I get too far into where the FR-S Concept COULD go" and "While only a concept the FR-S shows what is possible with Scion owners’ creativity and easy ability to personalize" it appears the FR-S was to show what a tuning house could do.

[enc0re]

Sorry, it's a trunk. Look at the green circle. The window would be framed if it were a hatch. Look at the red circle. You can see through the trunk lid gap onto the window. Not hatch.