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quik1987 · 09-04-2012, 05:42 AM

Bristecom · 09-04-2012, 06:22 AM

^ Ooo, now that's more like it!

If they go hybrid with a more powerful engine, it would be in a different class of heavier and more expensive cars, which may be a risky area to compete in and may upset some of the fans of the RX series. But either way, the RX's are always unique and refreshing/exciting cars and I look forward to seeing the next one.

I have a lot of respect for Mazda. They're kind of an underdog but they have a lot of potential and I love how they've always cared for sport.

brillo · 09-04-2012, 09:42 AM

I own a RX8 and am well connected with Mazda folks as a result of all the RX7/RX8 work I have done.

I can tell you with almost certainty that should another "RX" vehicle come to pass, it will weigh alot less than 3400lb. Mazda is hell bent on reducing weight as a means of achieving fuel economy targets (look at the CX5, new Mazda 6 and target weight for the new miata).

Given Mazda's financial condition (due largely to the fact that they produce nearly all their vehicles in Japan which hurts due to exchange rates), I don't expect to see Mazda sell a new RX vehicle until they find a financial partner as they simply can't afford a new nitch vehicle right now. The Miata/Alfa J.V. shows how Mazda needs support to produce its nitch vehicles to assure profitability (even one as sucessful as the Miata).

I expect to see the rotary live on for Mazda, but likely as a range extender / generator. That part of the story I can certainly buy. Sadly I fear I own the last conventional RX sports car. Emissions and fuel economy targets will make a non hybrid rotary simply impossible to produce.

ft86Fan · 09-04-2012, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ngabdala

They need to take the "gay" out of Miata.

Oh please. This is getting old. Does it make you feel "macho" saying that?

ngabdala · 09-04-2012, 10:11 AM

Yes. I have been sticking my chest out ever since I made that comment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ft86Fan

Oh please. This is getting old. Does it make you feel "macho" saying that?

GC GTS Aero Kit · 09-04-2012, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbradley

Sorry to say this but Mazda is my last choice of Japanese brands in North America. Nothing they do interests me in the least. Rotary engines are a novelty item IMHO. And the lack balls for the most part.

Do they have any factories in Canada/US? If so then at least I could say they help create decent paying jobs here.

Mazda philosophy of doing business here=fail.

HAHAHAHAHA lack of balls you say my friend I think you should check out the Aussie Rotary scene before you make a claim like that perhaps this may enlighten you.......

Pac Performace Old Car (world record in 11/2010 of 6.58 @ 208mph)
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UszPwNF-AiQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UszPwNF-AiQ[/ame]

Pac Performance (world rotary record holders new car debut launch)
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjTmPwAogvI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjTmPwAogvI[/ame]

Asterisked Accolade · 09-04-2012, 11:54 AM

I'm not excited an iota about hybrid technology, but damn can Mazda make a gorgeous concept car or what!

HunterGreene · 09-04-2012, 12:02 PM

I don't know why some of you guys are so turned off by hybrids. From an engineering perspective, they work, and can outperform traditional gasoline/petrol driven cars in some cases. The immediate torque of an electric engine is nothing to sneeze at, and if you couple it with a rotary engine, you may have a bit of a beast on your hands.

If the complaints are due to the fact that the batteries of a hybrid kill the car's ability to handle or accelerate, why is the Fisker Karma, albeit overpriced, still a decent-handling and accelerating machine?

Why the hate? Not all the hybrids out there are Priuses.

LSxJunkie · 09-04-2012, 12:06 PM

There's an "other cars" section.

Synack · 09-04-2012, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

I don't know why some of you guys are so turned off by hybrids. From an engineering perspective, they work, and can outperform traditional gasoline/petrol driven cars in some cases. The immediate torque of an electric engine is nothing to sneeze at, and if you couple it with a rotary engine, you may have a bit of a beast on your hands.

If the complaints are due to the fact that the batteries of a hybrid kill the car's ability to handle or accelerate, why is the Fisker Karma, albeit overpriced, still a decent-handling and accelerating machine?

Why the hate? Not all the hybrids out there are Priuses.

It's just the fact that it's not a full gas motor. Some may feel it's cheating? Also, batteries destroy balance and add weight.

HunterGreene · 09-04-2012, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synack

It's just the fact that it's not a full gas motor. Some may feel it's cheating? Also, batteries destroy balance and add weight.

I view it as progress (though really, if we wanted to talk zero-emission, lets talk about fuel cells, hybrids are old tech)

However, I would strongly disagree that batteries "destroy" balance. They most certainly add weight, but most hybrid manufacturers aren't staffed by complete idiots--the batteries in these cars, such as the Chevy Volt and the Karma, are typically low-slung and placed in such a way that the car isn't unevenly balanced. Look at diagrams of either, and you will see what I mean.

madfast · 09-04-2012, 06:55 PM

just wait until the porsche 918 comes out. this will show the hybrid haters just how awesome a hybrid can be. the problem with most "sport" hybrids is that they are still using the hybrid tech for mpgs and not as a performance enhancer. with the 918, they have a clear direction: performance. whatever increase in mpg that they can get on the way is just icing on the cake, but make no mistake their main objective is making a supercar first and foremost.

as battery tech gets better, the hybrid advantage will only grow...

Liquidsnake · 09-04-2012, 07:06 PM

The last gen RX7. Was godly. If they could return to that root, I would be 100% interested.

megatron · 09-04-2012, 07:48 PM

i belive we should really start pushing into hybrid technology and also full electric motors since we need to find alternatives to gas engines for the future and for pollution reasons. the argument seems to be that the batteries are heavy and what not,but i'm sure if humanity keeps developping the technology it will get smaller and lighter as well. just remember most of our current technologies (tv's,cells,computers) were bigger and heavier.so why couldn't the same be done with batteries? i'm positive they can make engines perform as good if not better then our current engines using other alternatives to combustion.

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brillo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2013 Firestorm FR-S Location: Houston Posts: 506 Thanks: 18 Thanked 77 Times in 64 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I own a RX8 and am well connected with Mazda folks as a result of all the RX7/RX8 work I have done. I can tell you with almost certainty that should another "RX" vehicle come to pass, it will weigh alot less than 3400lb. Mazda is hell bent on reducing weight as a means of achieving fuel economy targets (look at the CX5, new Mazda 6 and target weight for the new miata). Given Mazda's financial condition (due largely to the fact that they produce nearly all their vehicles in Japan which hurts due to exchange rates), I don't expect to see Mazda sell a new RX vehicle until they find a financial partner as they simply can't afford a new nitch vehicle right now. The Miata/Alfa J.V. shows how Mazda needs support to produce its nitch vehicles to assure profitability (even one as sucessful as the Miata). I expect to see the rotary live on for Mazda, but likely as a range extender / generator. That part of the story I can certainly buy. Sadly I fear I own the last conventional RX sports car. Emissions and fuel economy targets will make a non hybrid rotary simply impossible to produce.

09-04-2012, 12:02 PM	#22
HunterGreene Hail Magnet Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Firestorm FR-S: "Artemis" Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 4,578 Thanks: 3,386 Thanked 3,195 Times in 1,633 Posts Mentioned: 43 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I don't know why some of you guys are so turned off by hybrids. From an engineering perspective, they work, and can outperform traditional gasoline/petrol driven cars in some cases. The immediate torque of an electric engine is nothing to sneeze at, and if you couple it with a rotary engine, you may have a bit of a beast on your hands. If the complaints are due to the fact that the batteries of a hybrid kill the car's ability to handle or accelerate, why is the Fisker Karma, albeit overpriced, still a decent-handling and accelerating machine? Why the hate? Not all the hybrids out there are Priuses.

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madfast Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: 2010 Evo X MR-T Location: NY Posts: 942 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	just wait until the porsche 918 comes out. this will show the hybrid haters just how awesome a hybrid can be. the problem with most "sport" hybrids is that they are still using the hybrid tech for mpgs and not as a performance enhancer. with the 918, they have a clear direction: performance. whatever increase in mpg that they can get on the way is just icing on the cake, but make no mistake their main objective is making a supercar first and foremost. as battery tech gets better, the hybrid advantage will only grow...

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megatron It's over prime! Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Scion FR-S Location: Montreal Posts: 91 Thanks: 3 Thanked 21 Times in 17 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	i belive we should really start pushing into hybrid technology and also full electric motors since we need to find alternatives to gas engines for the future and for pollution reasons. the argument seems to be that the batteries are heavy and what not,but i'm sure if humanity keeps developping the technology it will get smaller and lighter as well. just remember most of our current technologies (tv's,cells,computers) were bigger and heavier.so why couldn't the same be done with batteries? i'm positive they can make engines perform as good if not better then our current engines using other alternatives to combustion.

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