First Spy Pics of Scion FR-S / Toyota FT-86 Production Test Mule! (Updated 5/17)

[c0rbin]

Too big and tall and generic.

MK1 was by far the most classic, best looking design, IMO. Damn useless pedestrian safety regulations...

[Aki]

Originally Posted by ftw-86

I believe this prototype will be the production model shape and size. However, I do believe that they may change the head/tail lights and or front/rear bumpers.

That's highly unlikely. Tooling is set way in advance, something like a year. They're not going to tool something for a production model only to tweak it later on, that's really costly. By now the final production design has likely been locked down.

The side is similar to the MKII (sans those cheesy vents, thank God), front seems almost MKI-ish in how conservative it is, the rear tail lights doesn't look like any of the concepts (reminds me of the previous BMW Z4).

If those wheels are Enkei Spec Cs from the Forester, they're 17x7 et48.

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by bofa

Yeah but I can't imagine the tC having 18s and this thing getting 17s.

This car is a lot smaller than a TC, so 17s would be fine even though bigger is better.

[PAImportTuner]

That car screams Subaru. Rear bumper, taillights, spoiler, wheels, brakes. Only a turbo car would have big tips like that on production.. which this is production, they look like 2006 sti tips on 2008+ STi hatchback muffler wouldn't be surprise if they actually were...

Looks like a coupe versus a hatch like latest FR-S unless both models will both be coupes. You can tell the refined "dull"look is the doing of Subaru which has a target audience of 28+ y/o versus Scions nature of 15-30.

I would like to say that I think the car looks good in this current config, although not great, I prefer the latst FR-S release, the bulging flares and body panels must stay at least. For god sakes every car today has flares. The mazda line up is a good example and the new subaru line up, why would the production lose that??? Toyota is notorious for bland wheels arches. Case in point 2008-2010 wrxs that they lent their hands for lol, then Subaru said FU and smack them with the 2011 wrx. I hope the guy in charge is going to do the same and pull for the aggressive body over the toyotafined way since this is going to be a Scion.

[Dark]

I figured out that camo confuses us to think that the car has square hood. The hood line should be similar to Mk2 concept.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by AIRMAX

My understanding...
- Scion and Toyota versions same BODY, Sheet metal parts and all.... do you guys know HOW expensive Sheet metal tooling is?... if they have different versions then the cars would be more expensive to offset the development/manufacturing costs.... Toyota partnered with Subaru to use their chassis... to SAVE development costs and make it a realistic CHEAP sports car.

- Subaru MAY have a different body, but I doubt it... if you guys look at the Camry. It shares it Sheet metal parts with a couple of other sedans.... only the plastic parts, lamps etc are the main difference.... the Subaru/Toyota/Scion car should all have same sheet metal parts, but different plastic parts.. lamps etc.

The thing to remember is... this car wouldnt exists if it was going to be a new platform altogether.... well, they could.. but it wont be a sub 25K car for the US.... new platforms would cost millions in development and they wont justify it on a sports coupe unless it sells for a HIGH premium price.

Although they could use the IS-F paltform... to make the new SUPRA!!! but different forums :-)

Yes. And they managed to make a bit of a visual difference between the Lexus ES and the Camry:




It's not a huge difference, but enough.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Yes. And they managed to make a bit of a visual difference between the Lexus ES and the Camry:




It's not a huge difference, but enough.

Completely different sheet metal if you ask me.

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Yes. And they managed to make a bit of a visual difference between the Lexus ES and the Camry:




It's not a huge difference, but enough.

Changing the bumper and head lights can make a car look completely different, as your pics have proven. I expect the subie version to look more, ummm, odd? I'm going with the Scion/Toyota option if I had a choice.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Dark

Completely different sheet metal if you ask me.

It's not. Different bumper covers, lights and mirrors.

Look at the shape of the fender where it meets the bumper and headlights. Exact same line.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Dimman

It's not. Different bumper covers, lights and mirrors.

Look at the shape of the fender where it meets the bumper and headlights. Exact same line.

I don't see the same line here. Fender on camry has one more curvy line and the line on the door of ES is higher which make it looks a bit wider(still similar dimension). Camry also has more line on the hood and the roof line/third quarter is also different.

EDIT: I noticed twin tiny lines from the Toyota emblem too.

[PAImportTuner]

Though unlike my previous post this just may be a toyota/scion due to no fmic or tmic present visually or hood scoop slot.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Though unlike my previous post this just may be a toyota/scion due to no fmic or tmic present visually or hood scoop slot.

This could be a base version?

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by Dark

This could be a base version?

It was my impression that subaru was the faster higher end model and scion would be the "base" model.

[ToyotaObsession]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

18's are nice, but that'll bring up the base price. I'm guessing base model start w 17's & I, myself wish they keep it 17's

A little. But everything is going bigger.

I'm not saying it's impossible. But I would be really surprised if they shipped it with 17's. Camry's come with 17's now. They will probably think 17's sends the wrong message.

17=passenger car
18=sports car.

But we'll see!