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Visconti · 08-31-2012, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Deepseadiver

I have to keep the hope alive! Have you ever heard of "Big Al" from dyno flash? It was back in 04 when the evo first hit the streets in the USA, he had the market, and I did I get in on the first group buy with him, but as time progressed it turned out he was not as good as other tuners. I am not saying you are not a good tuner, but with open ECU we have more options as end users. I think you agreed with this, and you said you would welcome it. Can you help with OpenECU project?

I live 10mim from big al, and we know each other very well.

Long story...

Anyways I know what your talking about.

I don't have the time to help open source.. I have a full plate as it is with all the tuning I'm doing.. I don't just tune the BRZ ..

manny25 · 08-31-2012, 11:48 AM

This is some what turning like the Genesis platform where everyone is being cheap waiting for the cheapest thing to come out. All this will cause is for manufacturers to back out with this platform and other willing to spend the money to make things happen will be affected. No other mod will give 30whp+ for the money.

Visconti · 08-31-2012, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manny25

This is some what turning like the Genesis platform where everyone is being cheap waiting for the cheapest thing to come out. All this will cause is for manufacturers to back out with this platform and other willing to spend the money to make things happen will be affected. No other mod will give 30whp+ for the money.

I was looking into the Genesis platform but everyone is so crazy about free stuff no one is working on..

Opposed · 08-31-2012, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deepseadiver

I have to keep the hope alive! Have you ever heard of "Big Al" from dyno flash? It was back in 04 when the evo first hit the streets in the USA, he had the market, and I did I get in on the first group buy with him, but as time progressed it turned out he was not as good as other tuners. I am not saying you are not a good tuner, but with open ECU we have more options as end users. I think you agreed with this, and you said you would welcome it. Can you help with OpenECU project?

"Subaru power bro!" Sorry to threadjack, I had to do it

NotSoJDM · 08-31-2012, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manny25

This is some what turning like the Genesis platform where everyone is being cheap waiting for the cheapest thing to come out. All this will cause is for manufacturers to back out with this platform and other willing to spend the money to make things happen will be affected. No other mod will give 30whp+ for the money.

It's certainly not that way for me. My standpoint is this, you buy a $750 tune, yet you have no idea what it is aside from a flash that makes peak hp. John I'm not making stabs at you, so don't take it that way, I'm just trying to make my view known. Any "tuner" can make you some hp. Leaned out AFRs, advanced timing, increase rev limits, etc. But there is huge potential for reliability/longevity issues that the end user will be none the wiser of until it's too late.

Granted 90% of the people buying flashes wont know how to interpret the data even if it was given to them, but for those of us who can, I want to know what my tune entails. Most tuners won't share your tune with you because you could steal it. You could copy their timing tables and fuel tables etc and then sell it as your own...and I don't blame them.

That's my reasoning for waiting on open source. I want to know what was remapped in my ecu, and the only way I will know that is to wait for software that the individual user can buy.

manny25 · 08-31-2012, 01:50 PM

You have a point. And that's where you do your homework on what shop or tuner you choose but you have to trust your tuner. Also ECUTEK is a reputable company that has done their R&D for this product. I mean I've seen some sick GTRs with this tune, and let me tell you they run great.

NotSoJDM · 08-31-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by manny25

You have a point. And that's where you do your homework on what shop or tuner you choose but you have to trust your tuner. Also ECUTEK is a reputable company that has done their R&D for this product. I mean I've seen some sick GTRs with this tune, and let me tell you they run great.

From what I understand, John does the tuning (or any tuner for that matter). EcuTEK is just providing the tools to do so, such as software, base map, connectivity hardware, etc. I don't mind paying for these things, but they are just asking for people like me to shy away because they make their product only available to commercial tuners and do so by charging 3,500 for rights to their product.

P.S. John you're doing a great thing for the BRZ/FRS community. Keep up the continued development!

Visconti · 08-31-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NotSoJDM

From what I understand, John does the tuning (or any tuner for that matter). EcuTEK is just providing the tools to do so, such as software, base map, connectivity hardware, etc. I don't mind paying for these things, but they are just asking for people like me to shy away because they make their product only available to commercial tuners and do so by charging 3,500 for rights to their product.

P.S. John you're doing a great thing for the BRZ/FRS community. Keep up the continued development!

Thanks - I feel yeah..

Didn't want Big AL tuning my car anymore so I started my own thing lol

But EcuTek offers no base maps.. all my EcuTek stuff from scratch!

John

yomny · 08-31-2012, 02:21 PM

It'll be great to know all the data not values but actual changes and to what systems.

manny25 · 08-31-2012, 03:01 PM

To my understanding ECUTEK Does provide the base maps or what might be along with the features when the car is stock. Now when there's a turbo set up involve yes is mostly the tuner making changes and modifying base maps.

Visconti · 08-31-2012, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manny25

To my understanding ECUTEK Does provide the base maps or what might be along with the features when the car is stock. Now when there's a turbo set up involve yes is mostly the tuner making changes and modifying base maps.

They don't.

I'm also one of the few highest level EcuTek dealers in North America - aka "Master Dealer / Tuner" so trust me I would know.

http://www.ecutek.com/Dealers.aspx

Deepseadiver · 08-31-2012, 03:27 PM

That is the same thing I was thinking. It's not rocket science, but you need to do your homework, and have the right tools. If I did not have a career I would love to become a licenced tuner like what "Mellon" did.
Good job with the BRZ a real labor of love!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Visconti

Thanks - I feel yeah..

Didn't want Big AL tuning my car anymore so I started my own thing lol

But EcuTek offers no base maps.. all my EcuTek stuff from scratch!

John

Sportsguy83 · 09-01-2012, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Visconti

They don't.

I'm also one of the few highest level EcuTek dealers in North America - aka "Master Dealer / Tuner" so trust me I would know.

http://www.ecutek.com/Dealers.aspx

How do you go from being a regular dealer to a "Master" dealer?

Visconti · 09-01-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsguy83

How do you go from being a regular dealer to a "Master" dealer?

Not easy

Can't do it overnight

You also have to meet a list of EcuTek requirements.

John

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manny25 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: Scion FR-S Location: Miami FL Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 14 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	This is some what turning like the Genesis platform where everyone is being cheap waiting for the cheapest thing to come out. All this will cause is for manufacturers to back out with this platform and other willing to spend the money to make things happen will be affected. No other mod will give 30whp+ for the money.

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manny25 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: Scion FR-S Location: Miami FL Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 14 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	You have a point. And that's where you do your homework on what shop or tuner you choose but you have to trust your tuner. Also ECUTEK is a reputable company that has done their R&D for this product. I mean I've seen some sick GTRs with this tune, and let me tell you they run great.

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