How (NOT) to install coilovers

[Brody8877]

I see nothing wrong with this at all. I work on a lot of cars, I used to work for a shop, and I see a lot of shop do this. Just dial down your impact settings and you should be fine.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Brody8877

I see nothing wrong with this at all. I work on a lot of cars, I used to work for a shop, and I see a lot of shop do this. Just dial down your impact settings and you should be fine.

Of course, if we assume he knows how to do it correctly.. the fact that they never show a torque wrench likely means that was full power for most of it.

Just because a shop torques wheels to 200ftlbs doesn't actually make it "fine".

[vividracing]

Hey guys,

All I can say is every tech has their own way. If you have ever been a professional technician like I have you know that Flat Rate will change you. When you get paid for how much work you do in a day, not how many hours you were present, and you are competing with the other techs for the work, you find faster ways to do things.

That being said, yes there are shortcuts that can COST more time if they cause damage etc. But after over 10 years on turning wrenches, and having owned my own shop as well, I can tell you I did use a 3/8 impact for assembly in a lot of cases. I always started nut/bolts by hand first to avoid cross threading. I also always adjusted my pressures for assembly to avoid over tightening.

I think if any of you went and watched the technicians at the scion dealership you would see the same thing...

[civicdrivr]

That doesn't make it right.

[SubaSteve]

I understand each mechanic does his own thing. When you are putting your product on display and showing how you install it please keep in mind people don't know better. They will see what you do and think that is the norm. Also you took the time to make an awesome video why not take the time to do the install the way you would want your customers to do it?

[sho220]

Originally Posted by vividracing

If you have ever been a professional technician like I have you know that Flat Rate will change you. When you get paid for how much work you do in a day, not how many hours you were present, and you are competing with the other techs for the work, you find faster ways to do things.

So your response is a shoulder shrug and "it's quantity over quality?"

[kiks]

God you bunch are a finnicky gaggle of muppets.

From threads about how much torque to do up a sump plug, to how much torque on strut tops I dont know how you all get out of bed in the morning. OCD much?

everyone with a rattle gun who has enough talent to scratch their arse gets to know their rattle gun and has an appreciation for how long you hold it on versus how much torque based on the application.

[SubaSteve]

Originally Posted by kiks

God you bunch are a finnicky gaggle of muppets.

From threads about how much torque to do up a sump plug, to how much torque on strut tops I dont know how you all get out of bed in the morning. OCD much?

everyone with a rattle gun who has enough talent to scratch their arse gets to know their rattle gun and has an appreciation for how long you hold it on versus how much torque based on the application.

My problem isn't the fact that they use it normally. Its the fact that they made a video called how to install coil overs and didn't do it properly.

[goke186]

Originally Posted by kiks

God you bunch are a finnicky gaggle of muppets.

From threads about how much torque to do up a sump plug, to how much torque on strut tops I dont know how you all get out of bed in the morning. OCD much?

everyone with a rattle gun who has enough talent to scratch their arse gets to know their rattle gun and has an appreciation for how long you hold it on versus how much torque based on the application.

Ok, so you are saying since I know how to use a torque gun then you will let me pull your car apart then put it all back together with said torque gun without you watching or checking my work?

[jskurucz]

Originally Posted by vividracing

Hey guys,

All I can say is every tech has their own way. If you have ever been a professional technician like I have you know that Flat Rate will change you. When you get paid for how much work you do in a day, not how many hours you were present, and you are competing with the other techs for the work, you find faster ways to do things.

That being said, yes there are shortcuts that can COST more time if they cause damage etc. But after over 10 years on turning wrenches, and having owned my own shop as well, I can tell you I did use a 3/8 impact for assembly in a lot of cases. I always started nut/bolts by hand first to avoid cross threading. I also always adjusted my pressures for assembly to avoid over tightening.

I think if any of you went and watched the technicians at the scion dealership you would see the same thing...

Not to get off subject, but I fear I have conflicting opinion with that. Shortcuts are terrible in any job field.
For example, at my job facility (healthcare), I could easily make shortcuts by giving less than prescribed medication to a patient to make the process quicker; potentially killing/saving them. How about saying, screw documenting the medications that the patient takes at home because that takes too much time.

Shortcuts are BS in any job, no excuse, even if you are competing. If you're competing you already lost because you didn't do it right. Anyone agree?

[vividracing]

Originally Posted by jskurucz

Not to get off subject, but I fear I have conflicting opinion with that. Shortcuts are terrible in any job field.
For example, at my job facility (healthcare), I could easily make shortcuts by giving less than prescribed medication to a patient to make the process quicker; potentially killing/saving them. How about saying, screw documenting the medications that the patient takes at home because that takes too much time.

Shortcuts are BS in any job, no excuse, even if you are competing. If you're competing you already lost because you didn't do it right. Anyone agree?

My reference is to The service manual saying yes you have to remove the alternator to access the bolt for the exhaust (hypothetical) and when it was written they did not have Wobble sockets or what have you. Now I can get to said bolt without removing.
However every service manual is written without any air tools, as they can not require any one to own them when it is "possible" with a hand tool. The service times and labor ops are all quoted on the national standard. A select few technicians are selected to do a certain job, lets say a clutch. All 100 do it and they take the average time to determine what everyone gets paid.

I don't mean short cuts with such the negative connotation. All the work is still done, but sometimes there is room for safe, and effective improvement.

[goke186]

jskurucz ^ yup, if I took shortcuts at my work the county would violate us and shut us down (work with bio-hazardous materials)

[Calum]

I've been wrenching for 23 years, making money at it for over 20 of them. I can torque bolts by hand, without a torque wrench, accurate to less then 5% by feeling the stretch in the bolt. I typically use my air gun and then go back with a torque wrench. It's not often I have far to go and very rare that I found I've over torqued something.

As for a how to, these are techniques that you learn from experience and maybe shouldn't be used as a teaching tool. But I have no issues IF the guy is aware of why torque specs exist.

Conversely, I had a guy over torque a set of ARP wheel studs so bad I had to bounce my 250 lb frame on the end of a two foot power bar in order to break them free. He lost a lot of business over that.

[goke186]

Originally Posted by vividracing

My reference is to The service manual saying yes you have to remove the alternator to access the bolt for the exhaust (hypothetical) and when it was written they did not have Wobble sockets or what have you. Now I can get to said bolt without removing.
However every service manual is written without any air tools, as they can not require any one to own them when it is "possible" with a hand tool. The service times and labor ops are all quoted on the national standard. A select few technicians are selected to do a certain job, lets say a clutch. All 100 do it and they take the average time to determine what everyone gets paid.

I don't mean short cuts with such the negative connotation. All the work is still done, but sometimes there is room for safe, and effective improvement.

as a consumer if I pay you to put something on my car I am most certainly NOT paying you to cut corners