Got a few (<- keyword) newish details from a Toyo Dealer

[Matador]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Just for the record I did not call you an idiot. I was just curious where you had heard that info about the 240hp since there wasn't anything in this thread. I was just honestly curious. That's it.

You two wanna get a room?

Originally Posted by ft86cbx

All this speculation about figures and performance, but does anyone honestly expect anything vastly different to 200bhp and 0-60 in about 6.5?

I would be shocked if the figures will be much different to this and it is purely my opinion and guess that they wont be more than 5% out. And to be honest I dont think 5% either way is going to turn this car from hero to zero.

200bhp and 6.5 is pretty much what other 2.0 NA engines go for (in the UK) which is what my guess is based on.

Of course I would love Toyota to just out the figures, but im more interested in what they price it at and how it drives as the figures are only part the story.

Well, that's about what 2500lbs and 200hp would net you acceleration wise, mid-low 6s 0-60. I agree with you though, dying to know how it drives.

Anyway, As I see it, "Low 2000lbs" is less than 2500lbs, so the claim isn't entirely unreasonable, nor new. Both Car Magazine UK and AutoCar UK have claimed that the car will come in at around 1100kg, being 200kg lighter than a scirroco (2800+lbs) and 100kg lighter than an audi TT.
While I am pessimistic and don't expect this car to be lower than 2650-27xxlbs, I would have a cargasm if this car could curb that low (2450-2550lbs).

[VenomRush]

mid to high 20gs is the deal breaker for this car.. you heard it here first

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by VenomRush

mid to high 20gs is the deal breaker for this car.. you heard it here first

For you, OK. For everyone else, maybe.

Keep in mind the Miata starts at $23.9k w/destination for a 5 speed w/manual locks and 16" wheels. A reasonably equipped Miata Touring 6mt w/only suspension package is $26.7k, and it goes up past $30k from there.

A base trim Genesis Coupe starts at $22.5k and a 2.0T Premium starts at $26.8k.

Mid-20's will be a reasonable price to pay assuming the car is as good as the Toyota execs are leading us on to be.

[VenomRush]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

For you, OK. For everyone else, maybe.

Keep in mind the Miata starts at $23.9k w/destination for a 5 speed w/manual locks and 16" wheels. A reasonably equipped Miata Touring 6mt w/only suspension package is $26.7k, and it goes up past $30k from there.

A base trim Genesis Coupe starts at $22.5k and a 2.0T Premium starts at $26.8k.

Mid-20's will be a reasonable price to pay assuming the car is as good as the Toyota execs are leading us on to be.

i completely agree... if it was a toyota. since its a scion, i dont think people that havn't been following the car will want to pay 25k+ for a scion

[Random_Art]

Also keep in mind that this seems to be the same price point that the last generation Celica was at and the FR-S is theoretically leaps and bounds beyond that in performance.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by VenomRush

i completely agree... if it was a toyota. since its a scion, i dont think people that havn't been following the car will want to pay 25k+ for a scion

Agree. Since it's a Scion, it will only base model. Most people wouldn't buy the car with less features and higher price tag, unless Toyota throw in some premium features we can find in JDM or EUDM counterparts.

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

You two wanna get a room?

No thanks, I'm quite happy here. What's wrong? You don't like reading forum discussions?

Don't tell me you've never had a little 1 on 1 with another member of a forum in another topic.

You know what's ironic? This conversation was pretty much over, and wouldn't have been dragged out anymore, if you didn't comment on it.

Maybe you just felt left out?

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by VenomRush

i completely agree... if it was a toyota. since its a scion, i dont think people that havn't been following the car will want to pay 25k+ for a scion

Economic inflation continues. $25k isn't worth as much as it used to, even 10 years ago. A "cheap" car nowadays is $20k, and an average priced car is in the 30's. Charging $25k for a low-production properly small sport coupe is completely acceptable, regardless of the brand. If the badge said Ferrari you'd likely go running to the dealership throwing money at them. Don't forget the economics of this specific car and how the badge and brand is irrelevant, despite your opinion of it.

I agree that Scion has an uphill battle to convince their typical demographic that a $25k car is within the brands' socioeconomic grasp, however think of it the other way; the FR-S will be fantastic halo car for Scion. Kids will drag their parents in to see the FR-S and leave buying a cheaper tC, xB, or xD. early 20's to mid 30yo single males will be the primary demographic, so Scion will have to market differently [i.e. more mature than currently] to attract actual buyers for the FR-S.

[VenomRush]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

Economic inflation continues. $25k isn't worth as much as it used to, even 10 years ago. A "cheap" car nowadays is $20k, and an average priced car is in the 30's. Charging $25k for a low-production properly small sport coupe is completely acceptable, regardless of the brand. If the badge said Ferrari you'd likely go running to the dealership throwing money at them. Don't forget the economics of this specific car and how the badge and brand is irrelevant, despite your opinion of it.

my uncle got an 09 mazda6 sTouring with all the bells and whistles for a little over 26k new from the dealer.. sure its not a performance car, but it handles well and has some good pull to it.. so what exaclty will we be paying for if its 25k?

[ToyotaObsession]

Originally Posted by VenomRush

my uncle got an 09 mazda6 sTouring with all the bells and whistles for a little over 26k new from the dealer.. sure its not a performance car, but it handles well and has some good pull to it.. so what exaclty will we be paying for if its 25k?

In what year did he get it? Was it one of those ones they let everyone test drive so it's never been bought so it's still a "new" car with 5K on the ODO.

We don't know exactly what were getting just yet lol. But hopefully it'll spank a Mazda6.

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by VenomRush

my uncle got an 09 mazda6 sTouring with all the bells and whistles for a little over 26k new from the dealer.. sure its not a performance car, but it handles well and has some good pull to it.. so what exaclty will we be paying for if its 25k?

I hate to be Captain Obvious, but the 4th and final sentances of my quote in your post is the answer. The FR-S will be relatively low production, and that means the economies of scale aren't anywhere near the level of the Mazda6, Corolla, or any other mass produced whatever. Like I keep saying, the FR-S will be just like a Miata coupe', so expect Miata-esque pricing and similar feature content. This isn't rocket science, you just have to pay attention a little bit.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

The FR-S will be relatively low production, and that means the economies of scale aren't anywhere near the level of the Mazda6, Corolla, or any other mass produced whatever. Like I keep saying, the FR-S will be just like a Miata coupe', so expect Miata-esque pricing and similar feature content. This isn't rocket science, you just have to pay attention a little bit.

Just curious how do you know what the production will be like? The car is still in the design process and hasn't even been put into production yet. I haven't read any articles that state how many will be produced each year. If you have, can you send me a link? Much of the car's success depends on how aggressively they price the car and what the world economy is like when the car hits the market.

[VenomRush]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

In what year did he get it? Was it one of those ones they let everyone test drive so it's never been bought so it's still a "new" car with 5K on the ODO.

We don't know exactly what were getting just yet lol. But hopefully it'll spank a Mazda6.

im insulted... it had 6 on the odo

[VenomRush]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

I hate to be Captain Obvious, but the 4th and final sentances of my quote in your post is the answer. The FR-S will be relatively low production, and that means the economies of scale aren't anywhere near the level of the Mazda6, Corolla, or any other mass produced whatever. Like I keep saying, the FR-S will be just like a Miata coupe', so expect Miata-esque pricing and similar feature content. This isn't rocket science, you just have to pay attention a little bit.

this is toyota/scion we're talking about here