Sneak peak at first Aussie turbo kit

[Dale@CHP]

you wont see $5k garrett kits in AUS, the turbos are just too dear by the time you buy the low PSI actuators and get special comp covers etc to make them all fit,

[nix]

Fair enough, just read your parts list in the other thread good stuff.

[czar07]

For 7k I want to see 100% plug and play kit.

[Dale@CHP]

which part is not plug and play?? it comes with everything you need to bolt it all on...

[Surok]

how much to get it all engineered? what needs to be changed?

[Dale@CHP]

you will have to speak to a engineer to get pricing on that

[RAN94A]

Originally Posted by Dale@CHP

missed the Ball?? we are offereing a kit with QUALITY parts used not chinese shit that others will use and flog off as good stuff, anyone thinking that a $4k turbo kit is going to use good quality stuff is kidding them selves..

we will be doing tuning using ecutek now so the price may drop a little when that comes on line but people interested need to give the shop a call and talk rather than posting shit all over the internet about how the price is too high with zero understanding of whats involved or what parts are used..

... sorry dude, seems my comments got under your skin..

like i said in my post, staggering numbers and if you backtrack abit in this thread you'll see i've been following it for quite a while and up until this post i didnt even know you were on the forums.
now that i've looked abit further it seems there was a post in the yank sections too that i missed with more info.

having read that thread i also see i'm not the only one with comments around the price. At the end of the day that was just my opinion which is the point of forum communities in being able to express ones' opinion... nor did i make any comparisons to other packages/companies.

But from what i've read the 10K excludes (which as i said, purely in my opinion is why i feel it is expensive)
ECU Upgrade - retune of stock ECU instead
Any exhaust or headers
E85 variant - is only for the 98 tune as further work is needed for E85?
Engineering costs to ensure the mod is legal.

Once those are all added into the equation the numbers stack up to likely be well over the 15K mark..

I get that you guys are offering quality product, but this is still in relatively untested territory and unless ive missed something you guys arent offering any guarantees about the stock blocks' longevity. So what good is lashing out 10K on top quality parts if the engine goes bang not too far down the track?

Personally i would have hoped rather than come in here (to the Australian specific section, where your customer's are) and fire up about people not calling your shop, you would provide us with info about the benefits of the kit and more details...

I've had previous cars worked on by you guys as well as plenty of friends as I'm a hills local, and will likely look at getting you guys to sort me out with an exhaust system because i like the quality of your work and value for money over "JDM name brands" so please dont take it as im throwing rocks at your work, massive props for being one of the very first out there with a drive in/out turbo solution for the 86 and the numbers you guys got were staggering.

[RAN94A]

and for anyone else who may have missed the other thread in the general engine section of the forum, the parts list:

Originally Posted by Dale@CHP

here is what is included in the kit, all are high quality parts, no chinese knock off parts.
1x Garrett GT28 TURBO, Custom built to suit with 5psi wastegate
1x Speedflow oil feed, oil drain and water line kit
1X VDO OIL PUMP with stone bash guard
1X 600X250 INTERCOOLER with brackets
1X TURBO SMART BOV
1x K&N air filter
1x set of intercooler pipes, powder coated black with Black silicon Joiners
1x oil check valve for oil feed
1x custom turbo pipe
1x dump pipe
1x front pipe with 100cpi hi flow cat
1.1 meter ½” heater hose
1x brass hose tail and hose for engine breather
1x oil pump harness and timer relay
7.5” vacuum line
All Nuts, bolts, studs, gaskets, hose clamps required to fit

[Dale@CHP]

The drive in drive out price includes your choice of engine management, ie remap or sprint 500 Haltech,
E85 can be done for no extra cost if you want a pure eflex tune, the map switching or flex fuel sensor will incur a extra cost mostly due to the cost of the parts to do it a simple upgrade is a sport 1000 and a dual map switch, one tune for 98 and one for eflex,

Unfortunately I cannot spend all day answering questions on here when 90% of them can be answered with a 5 min phone call to the shop,

[grk]

Originally Posted by RAN94A

... sorry dude, seems my comments got under your skin..

like i said in my post, staggering numbers and if you backtrack abit in this thread you'll see i've been following it for quite a while and up until this post i didnt even know you were on the forums.
now that i've looked abit further it seems there was a post in the yank sections too that i missed with more info.

having read that thread i also see i'm not the only one with comments around the price. At the end of the day that was just my opinion which is the point of forum communities in being able to express ones' opinion... nor did i make any comparisons to other packages/companies.

But from what i've read the 10K excludes (which as i said, purely in my opinion is why i feel it is expensive)
ECU Upgrade - retune of stock ECU instead
Any exhaust or headers
E85 variant - is only for the 98 tune as further work is needed for E85?
Engineering costs to ensure the mod is legal.

Once those are all added into the equation the numbers stack up to likely be well over the 15K mark..

I get that you guys are offering quality product, but this is still in relatively untested territory and unless ive missed something you guys arent offering any guarantees about the stock blocks' longevity. So what good is lashing out 10K on top quality parts if the engine goes bang not too far down the track?

Personally i would have hoped rather than come in here (to the Australian specific section, where your customer's are) and fire up about people not calling your shop, you would provide us with info about the benefits of the kit and more details...

I've had previous cars worked on by you guys as well as plenty of friends as I'm a hills local, and will likely look at getting you guys to sort me out with an exhaust system because i like the quality of your work and value for money over "JDM name brands" so please dont take it as im throwing rocks at your work, massive props for being one of the very first out there with a drive in/out turbo solution for the 86 and the numbers you guys got were staggering.

He made a 10 minute video interview style outlining many of the technical aspects of the design of this kit, its not fair to say he "fired up about people calling his shop". I've seen him answer a bunch of questions today, and hes only been on here for one day.

They're not obliged to offer you a guarantee, you said it yourself; they are offering a quality product in relatively untested territory. Nobody is sure what the limit of the car is, and what is going to be reliable. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but it isn't their job to hold your hand through this process. You buy the product, you take the risk, simple. There are heaps of us waiting to see how the engine responds to FI, nobody wants to fuck up a brand new car 6 months down the track

I think the 10k price includes the tune and the E85/standalone ECU though I'm not sure. As for the engineering costs, I've got no idea. Its usually not too bad if everything is done legit and its not a backyard job.

[knapper]

I am sorry but $10,000 for a complete kit for this car is just pure insanity, and anyone that sits here to tell me different can take it in the ass.

Is it a new platform (engine)? Absolutely. But folks are talking like nobody has ever made a god damn turbo kit in their lives, and they have spent the better part of the last 10 years perfecting the art of the FA20 turbo.

I tell you what, you give me a layout of each individual piece that is included in the kit, right down to the type of metals or other materials used. I will take the time out of my day to show you that the kit, while made of "high-grade" materials, is worth no more than $3500. (this is a rough estimate based on the above list) And that is at retail pricing.

I am not trying to get under anyone's skin, but I am just tired of folks blabbering on about how you will just have to pay for it because it's a new setup, or it's made with quality parts, which I don't doubt that it is. If you want transparency, just ask for it, and if the creator refuses or blows a gasket, there is a good chance there is a reason for it.

I great appreciate all the work that companies around the world are putting into this new platform, and I am just as excited as the next guy, but any business that can't say that they are trying to cash in on it is looney, lying, or both.

[grk]

Originally Posted by knapper

I am sorry but $10,000 for a complete kit for this car is just pure insanity, and anyone that sits here to tell me different can take it in the ass.

Is it a new platform (engine)? Absolutely. But folks are talking like nobody has ever made a god damn turbo kit in their lives, and they have spent the better part of the last 10 years perfecting the art of the FA20 turbo.

I tell you what, you give me a layout of each individual piece that is included in the kit, right down to the type of metals or other materials used. I will take the time out of my day to show you that the kit, while made of "high-grade" materials, is worth no more than $3500. (this is a rough estimate based on the above list) And that is at retail pricing.

I am not trying to get under anyone's skin, but I am just tired of folks blabbering on about how you will just have to pay for it because it's a new setup, or it's made with quality parts, which I don't doubt that it is. If you want transparency, just ask for it, and if the creator refuses or blows a gasket, there is a good chance there is a reason for it.

I great appreciate all the work that companies around the world are putting into this new platform, and I am just as excited as the next guy, but any business that can't say that they are trying to cash in on it is looney, lying, or both.

Then go ahead and do it, I'm sure people will be lining up to buy your kit.

[knapper]

Buy my kit? I don't plan on manufacture a kit at all, and I don't think I implied that either. I am asking for transparency in the pricing, and to provide reasoning as to why this kit, or any of the others, are $10,000+ when we all know that from a manufacturing and materials standpoint it's not worth that.

[JP]

Originally Posted by knapper

Buy my kit? I don't plan on manufacture a kit at all, and I don't think I implied that either. I am asking for transparency in the pricing, and to provide reasoning as to why this kit, or any of the others, are $10,000+ when we all know that from a manufacturing and materials standpoint it's not worth that.

A photo of the kit and a list of items included has been provided, shouldn't be too hard for you to price up the material cost, not including workshop labour, consumables, argon etc required to produce the kit

I did a quick count based on the photo/list provided and came up with a Material/Parts cost of $4950 not including the haltech or adapter loom. Now take the ~$80/hr of labour and however many hours it takes to produce the kit, plus the labour required to install it and a couple of grand for the haltech/plugin adapter and I can easily see a $10K drive-in/drive-out cost.

Go ahead and post up your list... Some sites you can get reference costs from are:
http://www.sonicperformance.com.au/
http://mscn.com.au/Scripts/prodList.asp
http://www.gcg.com.au/
http://www.haltech.com/store/default