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Old 08-15-2012, 03:15 PM   #4761
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Yeah, CC is actually the driver aide that I use the absolute least. I can modulate my own speed

Good point on TC/ABS. And I am definitely a manual driver

Hadn't thought about audio like that. And in fact audio can be a detriment to safe driving if some fool is more focused on singing along than the task of driving.
Yeah, I've taken out CC out of my Impreza. So 11hr drive to LA was pretty interesting. Did I hate it for not having CC? No, not single bit.

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Old 08-15-2012, 03:20 PM   #4762
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It's a Corolla engine. You can probably pick up 3 for $100.

Then you can go all mad-scientist because you have spares.
Hmmm...that's true, although 1NZ-FEs may be slightly more common now as they've been in production for over 15 years (what the fuck Toyota) whereas the 1ZZ was phased out in 2007 (much earlier outside north america, of course).

I'm still pissed about the 1NR-FE being a Europe only thing (scion iq has no M/T). The 1.33 displacement sucks admittedly (I think 1.5 is about right because I want to do the whole Miller cycle thing), but it is light years ahead of any other economy Toyota engine aside from the 1ZR-FAE (which is never going to arrive in America, those cheapasses. At any rate the Valvematic system probably isn't happy with 8500rpm), with cooled EGR, built in start stop (I am very sure this can be rigged to give moar powah somehow), ports come from the factory optimized for flow, service weight 10kg below the 1ZZ dry weight (the 1ZR engine is not any lighter than the 1ZZ I tink), 11.5! compression ratio, and some kind of fancy coating on the pistons.

Most importantly though, is that they come with 6 speed manual transmissions.

Dunno how much that engine can be bored out but 3mm gets it up to 1.445L which can be efficiently boosted up to maybe 200Nm torque, if it doesn't blow up.
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Hmmm...that's true, although 1NZ-FEs may be slightly more common now as they've been in production for over 15 years (what the fuck Toyota) whereas the 1ZZ was phased out in 2007 (much earlier outside north america, of course).

I'm still pissed about the 1NR-FE being a Europe only thing (scion iq has no M/T). The 1.33 displacement sucks admittedly (I think 1.5 is about right because I want to do the whole Miller cycle thing), but it is light years ahead of any other economy Toyota engine aside from the 1ZR-FAE (which is never going to arrive in America, those cheapasses. At any rate the Valvematic system probably isn't happy with 8500rpm), with cooled EGR, built in start stop (I am very sure this can be rigged to give moar powah somehow), ports come from the factory optimized for flow, service weight 10kg below the 1ZZ dry weight (the 1ZR engine is not any lighter than the 1ZZ I tink), 11.5! compression ratio, and some kind of fancy coating on the pistons.

Most importantly though, is that they come with 6 speed manual transmissions.

Dunno how much that engine can be bored out but 3mm gets it up to 1.445L which can be efficiently boosted up to maybe 200Nm torque, if it doesn't blow up.
What kind of engineering/manufacturing resources do you have access to?

I've been thinking about cast head blanks, but done on the computer. Use 3d printing to make patterns and molds for plugs. Get them sand-cast and then finish machine them manually.
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I've been thinking about cast head blanks, but done on the computer. Use 3d printing to make patterns and molds for plugs. Get them sand-cast and then finish machine them manually.
nil. (well, I imagine there's machine shop access that you can pay a very reasonable price for in most places, and schools will definitely have mills and shit sitting around everywhere) but that question isn't so useful right now because this won't happen until Toyota brings a 6 speed manual transmission over to the US again (I'd be okay with a Honda motor too, if it's DOHC = much easier to set up high duration cams for what I want).

As far as my crazy mad scientist ideas go, the custom pieces that will need to be made will be a new intake manifold with intercooler (I want to try to make an air to water myself...radiator/pump is not hard to find) that mates to the supercharger, custom cams (can probably take Stage 1 aftermarket cams and install it retarded a few teeth to get rid of the extra overlap, but not sure if the duration will be what I want), engine mounts, bypass valve control, gear selector stuff, and I think that's it. Okay the ECU maps need to be radically altered, which might be difficult to accomplish, and it would be nice if the gauges and stuff actually functioned.

Actually pulling a 1NZ would make things super easy because I could use Prius cams/pistons (junker Prii are pretty common I think?), but getting a 6 speed transmission is hard, and if the engine is going to get so much attention it needs a proper gearbox to match. I do want to do the hybrid thing down the road so the NR makes that easier with the start stop feature. Also the NR's shorter stroke is more rev friendly in theory. Not to mention the NR has combustion chamber and friction reduction enhancements.

EDIT: oh I forgot, alcohol injection system...easier adding fuel separately while it's in open loop than trying to tell the ECU how to deal with boost.

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w00t! My pc is up (for the third time!) lol. I think my Windows install may have been corrupted, I took everything apart again, cleaned out the case and stuff, and installed Ubuntu linux and now it seems to be stable (and quick!). I still want to build a new one though :|
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:55 PM   #4767
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OH MY this must be my lucky day, an MR-S pops up on Craigslist <10 minutes from where I live with a HARD TOP
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Old 08-16-2012, 12:20 AM   #4768
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"The 86 is something different altogether. There's an effervescence about the way it approaches life. That gives it something rather more than a great motor or exciting handling. It's a car that by force of character improves every journey and not by outright speed, but by FUN. And it's made by the people that give us the Prius! Sometimes we have to remind ourselves just how awesome the motor industry is, and the GT86 is a car that does just that."

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I went to go visit my cousin & aunt up in Sacramento to help them buy a car and to pick up a few things. And there they had a FIRESTORM FR-S and OMG I wanted to buy that thing on the spot. But a trigger in my head said just wait for your LR BRZ. You won't be as happy as you'll be when you get yourself the BRZ-L.

Fuhhh if only my complex could house 2 personal cars for free. I'd mod the hell out of the FRS and keep the BRZ stock but that wouldn't have made logical sense in my mind. Thank god I side more on my logical side then my emotional side.
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Fuhhh if only my complex could house 2 personal cars for free. I'd mod the hell out of the FRS and keep the BRZ stock but that wouldn't have made logical sense in my mind. Thank god I side more on my logical side then my emotional side.
Fuck parking man, in Berkeley apartment complexes with parking usually charge 50 or 75 a month for 1 car spot. I am like 90% sure I will pull the trigger on that car (unless it explodes when I test drive), but it'll have to stay parked home where I can't use it until I can get a parking spot. Since my apartment complex has no parking, I'm looking on Craigslist and everything within reasonable distance is like 75 dollars a month or higher :/
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You going to pull the trigger?
Have yet to hear back from the owner about seeing the car, but the price is rather good despite the car not being in perfect shape so...hopefully
Already dreaming up of the stupid things I'm going to do to it when that 1ZZ retires.
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Have yet to hear back from the owner about seeing the car, but the price is rather good despite the car not being in perfect shape so...hopefully
Already dreaming up of the stupid things I'm going to do to it when that 1ZZ retires.
Good luck. I hope it's in great shape and you manage to buy it.
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