Maybe a good news? End of EPA Ethanol requirement

[White64Goat]

And as soon as they dump the ethanol out (if they do) watch the price of oil skyrocket............

[civicdrivr]

Originally Posted by White64Goat

And as soon as they dump the ethanol out (if they do) watch the price of oil skyrocket............

Its a double edged sword. Due to the drought, if they keep ethanol in, prices rise. If they take it out, prices rise.

Either way, the consumer is fucked.

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by Justin.b

That is fantastic!

I know the corn lobby is strong, but really? Ethanol in the gas? WTF?

It produces less power per gallon (and therefore provides fewer miles per gallon), it doesn't reduce the cost of a gallon of gasoline and it takes more energy to produce than it releases when burned.

-Justin

But but...it "feels" so good doing something that seems sensible while completely ignoring the evidence to the contrary. Welcome to America.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Justin.b

Potentially it can be more power, but unless the engine is tuned to take advantage of it you're not going to see any more hp.

Also, the pump price does not reflect the actual cost of a gallon of ethanol. It's subsidized quite a bit. If we wanted to make it a nationally-available fuel and it was too popular to subsidize it would cost a heckuvalot more than gasoline.

-Justin

Still false. Ethanol has oxygen in it so just injecting it cools the intake air and makes a tad more power. The tuning difference between Gasoline and E10 is very small so you're not going to see much of a difference either way. Now E85 is different. If you tuned an engine for E85 it might blow up on regular Gasoline.

The last Ethanol subsidy, the VEETC and the import tariff, expired in Dec. The high price of corn has reduced the corn subsidies, which are designed to maintain low corn prices. So the real price is actually inflated due to the mandate. At least competition from Brazilian Sugar cane Ethanol has moderated the price somewhat.

It is available across the continental US, excluding Alaska, so your argument is invalid. 10% of "Gasoline" is Ethanol now but 99% of it is additive E10 while 1% is E85.

[chuy21]

My cobalt on 93 makes somewhat north of 310 whp and 355 wtq but on e85 it jumps to 370whp and 420+wtq. Why do people keep saying ethanol reduces power?

[drifter]

Originally Posted by QC-FRS

US, the Gmvt would remove the requirement of ethanol.

http://jalopnik.com/5933705/the-whit...ol-requirement

bye bye crickets!

[Boss]

Originally Posted by chuy21

My cobalt on 93 makes somewhat north of 310 whp and 355 wtq but on e85 it jumps to 370whp and 420+wtq. Why do people keep saying ethanol reduces power?

Maybe you should think about the difference between a forced induction and naturally aspirated engine. You are able to take advantage of the increased octane rating of E85 by increasing boost in the cobalt. It's not very easy to do this in a NA engine.

Now think about E10 93 octane and pure 93 octane fuel. They both have the same octane rating but E10 has less power per unit than pure gasoline.

[cgrey]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Ethanol has oxygen in it so just injecting it cools the intake air and makes a tad more power.

Nay.

[chuy21]

Originally Posted by Boss

Maybe you should think about the difference between a forced induction and naturally aspirated engine. You are able to take advantage of the increased octane rating of E85 by increasing boost in the cobalt. It's not very easy to do this in a NA engine.

Now think about E10 93 octane and pure 93 octane fuel. They both have the same octane rating but E10 has less power per unit than pure gasoline.

Very good point my good sir. To be honest i've gotten used to every car being turbo'd haha ><

[Justin.b]

You can take advantage of the high octane rating of e85 by advancing timing a bit, but the results aren't nearly as dramatic as what you see from turning up the boost on a turbo or supercharged car.

-Justin